The future of Saint John Sea Dogs

alko · 05-14-2012, 02:20 AM

How will look this team in 12/13 season?

How many players from this team could be there also for next season? Do they have any chance to win triple crown?

Bjindaho · 05-14-2012, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by alko

How will look this team in 12/13 season?

How many players from this team could be there also for next season? Do they have any chance to win triple crown?

No, we have virtually no chance of winning.

Right now, our lineup would be something like:

Tesink - Kelly - 20
Cooper - Anderson - Brown
DOD - Cameron - Morrison
Wicks - Draft Pick - Euro
Draft Pick

Durepos - Gagne
Hade - Kelly
Euro - Draft Pick
Draft Pick

Auger
Fournier/Tingley/Draft Pick

welcometothebigshow2 · 05-14-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjindaho

No, we have virtually no chance of winning.

Right now, our lineup would be something like:

Tesink - Kelly - 20
Cooper - Anderson - Brown
DOD - Cameron - Morrison
Wicks - Draft Pick - Euro
Draft Pick

Durepos - Gagne
Hade - Kelly
Euro - Draft Pick
Draft Pick

Auger
Fournier/Tingley/Draft Pick

Are you talking about Ryan Kelly? I found he struggled in Jr A this year, I dont expect him to ever make the Q, i think he was just picked because of the family connections.

Bjindaho · 05-14-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by welcometothebigshow2

Are you talking about Ryan Kelly? I found he struggled in Jr A this year, I dont expect him to ever make the Q, i think he was just picked because of the family connections.

We are that thin on the blueline at the moment.

welcometothebigshow2 · 05-14-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjindaho

We are that thin on the blueline at the moment.

That is true, but now that I think of it.. If he and another guy are close, Turk and Kelly probably will take Ryan just because he's Mike's relative.

Taoiseach · 05-14-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by alko

Do they have any chance to win triple crown?

They lost the finals to Moncton two seasons ago. That would have been their chance for three straight titles, I think.

IHaveNoCreativity · 05-14-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Taoiseach

They lost the finals to Moncton two seasons ago. That would have been their chance for three straight titles, I think.

This is what I was gunna say, they didn't wanna pay a price And rightfully so they didn't.

canucklehead506 · 05-15-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity

This is what I was gunna say, they didn't wanna pay a price And rightfully so they didn't.

Nope the asking price was basically Huberdeau & Phillips

My guess when it comes to a line up as of what we will be looking at today ...

Cooper - Euro - Tesink
Anderson - Cameron - Kelly
Brown - Morrison - Dares
Pasher - Rookie - Rookie

Durepos - Gagne
Seed - Euro
Hade - Rookie

Auger
Tingley/Fournier

- I'm guessing Saint John will trade Max Villemaire back to a Quebec based team ...
- They will start the season with 3 overage defensemen if one is not dealt at the draft. At least one will be dealt however either at the draft or prior to the Christmas deadline.
- Euro draft they need to get a forward and Dman ... These will likely be stop gaps given our rebuild phase and draft position
- Some rumours about Saint John being interested in drafted a goaltender not sure i buy it and I'll believe it when I see it we have never drafted a goaltender higher than RD3 in the entry draft (Mayer Euro Draft) and that was St Laurent ... Prior to that never higher than the 5th RD ... not saying they shouldn't but if history is any indication don't expect Saint John to end up with Bouchard or MacDonald.

Let the rebuild begin ... (No chance of a 3-Peat sadly this run has come to an end)

nshockey · 05-15-2012, 12:00 PM

I would have Colin Campbell on this team before alot of players listed on them rosters...

WildcatMapleLeafs28 · 05-15-2012, 01:52 PM

And who knows wether or not Huberdeau cracks Florida.. Hed be a nice player to have sent back for another season..

IHaveNoCreativity · 05-15-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by canucklehead506

Nope the asking price was basically Huberdeau & Phillips

My guess when it comes to a line up as of what we will be looking at today ...

Cooper - Euro - Tesink
Anderson - Cameron - Kelly
Brown - Morrison - Dares
Pasher - Rookie - Rookie

Durepos - Gagne
Seed - Euro
Hade - Rookie

Auger
Tingley/Fournier

- I'm guessing Saint John will trade Max Villemaire back to a Quebec based team ...
- They will start the season with 3 overage defensemen if one is not dealt at the draft. At least one will be dealt however either at the draft or prior to the Christmas deadline.
- Euro draft they need to get a forward and Dman ... These will likely be stop gaps given our rebuild phase and draft position
- Some rumours about Saint John being interested in drafted a goaltender not sure i buy it and I'll believe it when I see it we have never drafted a goaltender higher than RD3 in the entry draft (Mayer Euro Draft) and that was St Laurent ... Prior to that never higher than the 5th RD ... not saying they shouldn't but if history is any indication don't expect Saint John to end up with Bouchard or MacDonald.

Let the rebuild begin ... (No chance of a 3-Peat sadly this run has come to an end)

Everyone knew they were gonna be Q stars.. And they wanted to win again in 2012.. Last year wasn't planned..

I'm glad they stuck by it..

They're gunna draft a too high end euros, my best friend knows their scout Nate white.. He was in europe for a while this year, looking around.

I want MacDonald.. Bouch would be great aswell though.. But just a 4 year guy is fine..

canucklehead506 · 05-16-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nshockey

I would have Colin Campbell on this team before alot of players listed on them rosters...

I would too but I've heard he's going to stay and play Junior A next season

canucklehead506 · 05-16-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by WOODSY28

And who knows wether or not Huberdeau cracks Florida.. Hed be a nice player to have sent back for another season..

He would be nice and he would fetch 3-4 quality assets during the trade period

canucklehead506 · 05-16-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity

Everyone knew they were gonna be Q stars.. And they wanted to win again in 2012.. Last year wasn't planned..

I'm glad they stuck by it..

They're gunna draft a too high end euros, my best friend knows their scout Nate white.. He was in europe for a while this year, looking around.

I want MacDonald.. Bouch would be great aswell though.. But just a 4 year guy is fine..

Nate White as in Nathan White their PR guy?
.... The Sea Dogs don't have a scout by that name

SEA DOGS SCOUTING STAFF

Christian Vermette - Head Scout

Regional Scouts:
Daniel Demers (Montreal)
André Germain (Montreal)
Sylvain Careau (Quebec)
Stephane Leblanc (New Brunswick)
Sid Veysey (Nova Scotia)
Kris MacPhee (PEI)
Doug Jackman (Newfoundland)
Trevor Hanson (USA)
Mathieu Bougie (Ottawa)

Habsrule1 · 05-16-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by canucklehead506

He would be nice and he would fetch 3-4 quality assets during the trade period

Even thou it would speed up our rebuild, that thought makes me sad.

xMenace · 05-16-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WOODSY28

And who knows wether or not Huberdeau cracks Florida.. Hed be a nice player to have sent back for another season..

He's worked hard on his NHL game. He's now competing in all areas of the ice. I think with Florida's playoff performance this year, they have to feel they need to get him in now. They need scoring, and the window to win only lasts so long.

Q7scout · 05-16-2012, 12:48 PM

Here is a question for some debate.

When will the sea dogs be serious contenders for the president's cup again? How long will it take Gallant, Kelly and company to get back on top? Is it possible?

chsb · 05-16-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Q7scout

Here is a question for some debate.

When will the sea dogs be serious contenders for the president's cup again? How long will it take Gallant, Kelly and company to get back on top? Is it possible?

In the Dea Dogs case, there were a set of circumstances that IMO will not be duplicated again....

It is not all to the credit of Gallant and Kelly that these were coming altogether at the same time.

There will be at least two years of rebuilding in their case.

IHaveNoCreativity · 05-16-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by canucklehead506

Nate White as in Nathan White their PR guy?
.... The Sea Dogs don't have a scout by that name

SEA DOGS SCOUTING STAFF

Christian Vermette - Head Scout

Regional Scouts:
Daniel Demers (Montreal)
André Germain (Montreal)
Sylvain Careau (Quebec)
Stephane Leblanc (New Brunswick)
Sid Veysey (Nova Scotia)
Kris MacPhee (PEI)
Doug Jackman (Newfoundland)
Trevor Hanson (USA)
Mathieu Bougie (Ottawa)

At the time he was a scout..

Q7scout · 05-16-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chsb

In the Dea Dogs case, there were a set of circumstances that IMO will not be duplicated again....

It is not all to the credit of Gallant and Kelly that these were coming altogether at the same time.

There will be at least two years of rebuilding in their case.

I some what agree with the Gallant & Kelly comment. But do you honestly believe they can be back to this level again in two years ???

chsb · 05-16-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Q7scout

I some what agree with the Gallant & Kelly comment. But do you honestly believe they can be back to this level again in two years ???

NOPE!

I don't think they will be back to this level for the next 5-10 years.....but they will rebuild.

IHaveNoCreativity · 05-16-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chsb

NOPE!

I don't think they will be back to this level for the next 5-10 years.....but they will rebuild.

Anythings possible.. They'll win again soon....

Reddaye · 05-17-2012, 08:12 AM

Obviously next season is gonna be rough. I'm expecting this to be the last hurrah for a while as far as being serious contenders go.

It'll all come down to scouting and getting the players we need. I have confidence things will come back around. Will we see a team with this level of talent? I have my doubts.

CH4 · 05-17-2012, 08:59 AM

3 to 4 years is mandatory.

xMenace · 05-17-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chsb

NOPE!

I don't think they will be back to this level for the next 5-10 years.....but they will rebuild.

This is a generational team. Arguably they may never get back to this level again.

2012-13 draft [med] standings [low]
2013-14 draft [good] standings [low]
2014-15 draft [good] standings [med]
2016-17 draft [med] standings [good]
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