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05-16-2012, 02:29 PM
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Carter and Richards are showing that they are two very good COMPLIMENTARY players with the Kings. Simple as that...especially when you consider they are playing on a team with a bonafide goaltender.

Their roles here were more tip of the spear and for various reasons both hockey related and off-ice it wasn't going to work out but in 2010 it almost did although in the finals both of them didn't have a lot of impact but in Richards case he was a major factor along with Pronger and of course Gagne in even getting to the dance. Carter not so much b/c of injury and playing out of position once he returned. The latter situation became a problem b/c of Briere and Leino taking on more prominant roles (Briere at center) and then of course Giroux breaking out. Carter essentially became expendable and a luxury especially since we needed a goalie. Now with Briere not having a complimentary partner again to keep opposing teams off balance and his D game going south b/c of lack of size ..not having a Carter and depending on rookies set us back in the short term. But we'll be better off in the long run especially if Couts turns into the well-rounded stud he is projected to become.

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If Carter had scored here, the Flyers would have won the Stanley Cup. The puck is on his stick at this moment in time.
How did you get a picture from OT in Game 7?

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If Carter had scored here, the Flyers would have won the Stanley Cup. The puck is on his stick at this moment in time.



There just is no getting around it.

Again, it might not be fair, but he'll long be remembered for that one fail. It is every bit as egregious as Leighton's final surrender.
If the Chicago defenseman (Campbell?) hadn't made a very good play on Carter and Carter had scored, the Flyers would have won game 6. That's the only thing we can say with any certainty. We have no way of knowing what might have happened in game 7, back in Chicago and with Leighton in net.

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That's not what I saw.



Good point, that's true.

Ditto Rick MacLeish.



Agreed, and I wish it wasn't.



That makes two of us.

It may not be fair to Carter, but it will always be there for Flyers fans.

If Carter had scored here, the Flyers would have won the Stanley Cup. The puck is on his stick at this moment in time.



There just is no getting around it.

Again, it might not be fair, but he'll long be remembered for that one fail. It is every bit as egregious as Leighton's final surrender.
Also, because of leightons miscue everyone forgets carter flubbed an open net shot late in regulation. He scores there and overtime never happens

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Game 6.

Game 6.

Game 6.

Say it with me people.

Game 6.

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Also, because of leightons miscue everyone forgets carter flubbed an open net shot late in regulation. He scores there and overtime never happens
Aren't you and JXC talking about exactly the same play?

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All I know is... Mike Richards and Jeff Carter went from a city they loved together to a city they love together even more. And, they're going to win a cup... together. It's almost as if karma believes that was the Flyers did to both of them was wrong... Not that I think it was.

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If the Chicago defenseman (Campbell?) hadn't made a very good play on Carter and Carter had scored, the Flyers would have won game 6. That's the only thing we can say with any certainty. We have no way of knowing what might have happened in game 7, back in Chicago and with Leighton in net.
Yup. Jeff Carter didn't cost us a Cup, but Michael Leighton sure did.

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I love how everyone is fighting to make Carter and Richards worse than what they were and are just to make Philly the trade winners. Complimentary players? Nope. They've opened up space which allowed Kopitar's line to score. Last night, Kopitar's line was covered and Richards' line scored.

And as for Carter sulking in Columbus, he scored a hatty in his final game. Mind you, they were all likely the work of other players and just bounced in off his ass and I'm sure at least 2 were ENG. That's how it works, right?

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Richards and Carter are complimentary players on that Kings team. Not that HF or any sportswriter would ever let the Flyers live it down if they won the very next year but it's not like those two are carrying the Kings to victory. Quick, Brown, and Kopitar are doing that.

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Complimentary players? Nope. They've opened up space which allowed Kopitar's line to score.
Thanks..just proved the point that they are complimentary. Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick are def more prominant.

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There is no way to say the Flyers would have won game 7 had he buried that shot, especially as they had MFL in net.

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Richards is the Kings shutdown Center, and is third in scoring on the team. He is more than just a complementary player.

Richards line draws the Tougher match up's. The Kings second line, Pens/Richards/Carter is very much an important line for the Kings.

A comp line would be the Kings third line. King/Stoll/Lewis.

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I love how everyone is fighting to make Carter and Richards worse than what they were and are just to make Philly the trade winners. Complimentary players? Nope. They've opened up space which allowed Kopitar's line to score. Last night, Kopitar's line was covered and Richards' line scored.

And as for Carter sulking in Columbus, he scored a hatty in his final game. Mind you, they were all likely the work of other players and just bounced in off his ass and I'm sure at least 2 were ENG. That's how it works, right?

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You act like complementary players is such a bad thing to be called. Quick, Brown, Kopitar, and Doughty have all been more important to the King's run. Would you be less offended if everyone referred to them as the fifth and sixth most important players on the team? The point still stands that they aren't the only reason why the Kings are in a great position to win the cup this year, which is something that the mouth breathers or blinded fans in this thread want everyone to believe.

This is also why I try to avoid any thread that brings up Richards or Carter. Every time someone says anything remotely negative about them, you get the same four or five posters that feel the need to grab their shields and defend them to their last dying breath. I recognize that they're both great players, but can also objectively say that they weren't angels in this organization.

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I always will be a big fan of Jeff's. I hope those guys win the cup. If they stop in Rack's I will buy them a drink.

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Thanks..just proved the point that they are complimentary. Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick are def more prominant.
It depends entirely on the game as to which forwards are more prominent. Some games, it's the Kopitar line, others it's the Richards line. When a team focuses on shutting down one of them, the other steps up and buries the opposition.

Absolutely agree that Quick has been fantastic, and Doughty looks like he's returned to Olympic form. Their young defensemen have been very good and their veterans have been brilliant.

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Thanks..just proved the point that they are complimentary. Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick are def more prominant.
Right, they play on the first pp unit and kill penalties, score goals and take most of the important faceoffs. Their presence this year forces opposing teams to pick their poison as to which line to cover. Yup, that makes them complementary!

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The Kings' offense was a different beast after they got Carter. I'd say that makes him essential, not complimentary.

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You act like complementary players is such a bad thing to be called. Quick, Brown, Kopitar, and Doughty have all been more important to the King's run. Would you be less offended if everyone referred to them as the fifth and sixth most important players on the team? The point still stands that they aren't the only reason why the Kings are in a great position to win the cup this year, which is something that the mouth breathers or blinded fans in this thread want everyone to believe.

This is also why I try to avoid any thread that brings up Richards or Carter. Every time someone says anything remotely negative about them, you get the same four or five posters that feel the need to grab their shields and defend them to their last dying breath. I recognize that they're both great players, but can also objectively say that they weren't angels in this organization.
Very well said and I agree.

My OP wasn't meant to be towards Richards at all. In fact, I think that players like richards are keys to Stanley cup winning teams. With that said I am still ok with him being traded cuz the flyers will be better in the long run.

I still believe carter isn't as good as his stats suggest. But that's just me

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The problem with Richards and Carter here was that they were thrust as the two main cornerstones of the franchise. They are not that in LA..that is why I've referred to them as complimentary. It doesn't mean they are not important to the team..my god some people need to get off this "agenda" kick.

I was not necessarily their fault they got thrust into that role but it was the fault of management to view them as such and then tie themselves to them with onerous contracts (similar to Bryz but his might be worse considering the scrutiny he will get and is getting). It also inhibited them in actually building a team with more "parts" which is what they did by trading them....

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I still believe carter isn't as good as his stats suggest. But that's just me
Do you honestly believe anything you are saying?

Do you know how absurd this sound? Do you think his stats are lying?

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Very well said and I agree.

My OP wasn't meant to be towards Richards at all. In fact, I think that players like richards are keys to Stanley cup winning teams. With that said I am still ok with him being traded cuz the flyers will be better in the long run.

I still believe carter isn't as good as his stats suggest. But that's just me
I think he's still a great player, I just don't see another 46 goal season out of him. I think he'll continue to be a 30-35 goal guy unless he plays for another coach outside of the Sutter mold.

I don't hate Richards or Carter, and I still like them as players. I do have a problem with people that try to absolve them of any blame for the 2011 season.

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I don't hate Richards or Carter, and I still like them as players. I do have a problem with people that try to absolve them of any blame for the 2011 season.
Same deal, I guess. I have a problem with people that try to blame them 100% for every issue that arose in the 2011 season.

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Carter is Russian, that should end the debate.

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I think he's still a great player, I just don't see another 46 goal season out of him. I think he'll continue to be a 30-35 goal guy unless he plays for another coach outside of the Sutter mold.

I don't hate Richards or Carter, and I still like them as players. I do have a problem with people that try to absolve them of any blame for the 2011 season.
He doesn't need to score 46. He doesn't even need to score 35 because their team is built on defense and he's a huge contributor there. They've played 11 playoff games and had 3 shutouts which means they only needed 3 goals in 3 games to win. Their strength is in shutting the opponent down and they are doing a fantastic job.

As far as Richards and Carter being part of the problem in 2011, no doubt they didn't get along with Lavi. We don't know what the issues were but looking at the type of players they are and then looking at the system Lavi implemented, it's really no surprise they didn't see eye to eye. Powe was also a defensive specialist and he was sent off, too. They brought in Jagr who doesn't play defense and their system and choice of players cost them in the playoffs. We'll see if they learn anything from the playoffs and at that point, Homer will have to decide if he wants to keep Lavi as coach. When Lavi was in Carolina, does anyone know what his coaching style was like? I keep hearing he has a short shelf life but I don't know if that's his personality with the players or his inability to change the team's style of play.

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