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05-16-2012, 04:43 AM
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In a fantasy league, DD is definitely a 2nd line player. He may even be a first line player.

He's got a lot of things to adapt to still in the NHL, but he's adapting quickly.

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Let's say an opposing forward has the puck and there's only one Hab in a position to to try to contain him before he reaches Price:

1) Desharnais
2) Plekanec
3) Eller

Would anyone choose Desharnais?
What does this have to do with a fantasy league? The question should be;
"If you have one center on the Habs skating on a breakaway with the game on the line, who would it be?" Desharnais.

Or

"You're down by 1-goal with 30 seconds left, which center do you want on the ice?"
Desharnais.

PS. Just because Desharnais isn't as good as Plekanec and Eller defensively (who are both dynamite) doesn't mean he's bad. It just means he's not incredible in the defensive zone. He got better defensively as the season progressed and he'll only continue to get better.

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05-16-2012, 08:00 AM
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Cole Desharnais Pacioretty

First scoring line

Bourque Eller Gionta

Second scoring line

Leblanc Plekanec Moen

defensive high talented foward line


shall we go that way ?
Why is Pleks a 3rd line center all of a sudden. This isnt soley directed at Habitant. It seems common seriment that Pleks was bad last year He is our best center. It just so happened that dd was a better fit between cole and max so he slid into the first line role. Had Pleks had a full season of decent wingers, who actually tried every night or had the skill to be in the top 6 we would have had a much different season.

Plekanec needs a healty Gionta and another 50pt winger and he'll be back to the 65-70 pt two way centerman we've all come to expect.

Stick Bourque on the 4th line until he's ready to compete and earn a top 6 role.





Annnnnd back on topic:

DD is a bonifide top 6 center in this league. Centered between big skilled wingers is a neccesity, but if you have the right mix to make it work he's gold. JVR and Okposo fit the bill perfectly. They as max and cole did this year, really open up the ice to maximize DD's playmaking ability.

DD's not a star player who will make things happen by himself night in night out. But, given the right linemates he's definitely an above average top 6 center if not 1st line.

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They are different style of players but I like to think of him as our version of Philly's Briere. I won't build around him down the middle but he's a great hockey player and totally a piece of the puzzle. Plekanec is a great player who provides strong defence as well as underappreciated offence and Eller may be developing into a very sturdy 50-point pivot. Next season we could have three great players down the middle, if they add a solid veteran fourth line centreman we should be OK as long as Bergevin can find Plekanec a Cole/Pacioretty clone.

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This

I don't get how ppl even say he is bad defensively, the guy was +10 on a bad team, I believe 2nd on the team on faceoff.
Some posters on here like to say he is lost when the puck is in his own end. The only thing with that is 9 shifts out of 10, the puck is in the other teams end......soooo I guess he makes up for his lacking defensive game with his outstanding offensive puck pressure game. Good pick!

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I don't know how a guy who finished among the top 20 centers in the NHL for points isn't considered top 6. I don't think he's a first line center long term, but he's certainly an adequate 2nd line center on most NHL teams. At very least, like someone else mentioned he would fit the Briere mold.

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As long as he plays with Cole and Paccioretty..

Personally I think Desharnais is grossly overrated.. what will become more obvious next year when his wingers change... Cole and Pac create alot of room on the ice with their speed and size.. DD remains weak and not very fast, has no shot and will become expectable in the future..

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As long as he plays with Cole and Paccioretty..

Personally I think Desharnais is grossly overrated.. what will become more obvious next year when his wingers change... Cole and Pac create alot of room on the ice with their speed and size.. DD remains weak and not very fast, has no shot and will become expectable in the future..
I'm sorry but he is not slow at all. I understand people who say that. He's got decent speed. He is not weak either. Pouliot was weak, DD is way stronger than Pouliot and has a low center of gravity.

While I still think Plekanec is better than DD right now, you have to give him props because he has great vision for sure. As for his shot, who cares? He's a playmaker, not a shooter.

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Let's say an opposing forward has the puck and there's only one Hab in a position to to try to contain him before he reaches Price:

1) Desharnais
2) Plekanec
3) Eller

Would anyone choose Desharnais?
Let's say an opposing forward has the puck and there's only one player in a position to to try to contain him before he reaches the goalie:

1) Gretzky
2) Carbonneau
3) Gainey

Would anyone choose Gretzky?

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05-16-2012, 04:58 PM
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Cole Desharnais Pacioretty

First scoring line

Bourque Eller Gionta

Second scoring line

Leblanc Plekanec Moen

defensive high talented foward line


shall we go that way ?
Unfortunately, as long as we have Plekanec, Eller is not going to get the opportunity to be our 2nd line center.

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Unfortunately, as long as we have Plekanec, Eller is not going to get the opportunity to be our 2nd line center.
Maybe in a few years.

We could be patient for a while instead of throwing young players or players in their prime out.

Its possible to have 3 centers playing 17-18 minutes anyways. Furthermore we can't expect Plekanec and Desharnais to both play 82 games. If we are optimistic Eller might have to play 10 to 20 games in the top6. He could play more if there are serious injuries (bad luck to talk about this but its definitely part of the game. Eller will get his chance to prove himself)


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05-16-2012, 07:40 PM
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He finished top 20 in center points in his first full year.

Not sure what else needs to be said. His compete level is high, his hockey IQ is high and he's doing his thing.

In his first NHL season(half a year) he had .51 PPG. He improved in his first FULL year and he'll likely stabilize or get better as he's done at every single level.

Cole was on a major slump until he paired with DD.

Pacioretty called him "one of the best players on the habs in a long time".

There's not much else to say.
what are you guys smoking

where are we gonna go with DD as a #2 center seriously?

are you watching the playoffs what team has a midget who cant score , get beats off the puck , cant defend at all and is strictly a finesse player ?

the playoffs are about jam ,grit and warriors , not finesse players

the midget leached off Cole and Max , those 2 horses drove the net and scored goals not that DD set them up

he got 1/3 of his points on the powerplay and played with our 2 best forwards this year

HE PRODUCED ON A team getting 20 minutes a night

on any great team he doesnt play at all , he is not top 6 material

the quicker Bergevin wakes up and realizes Pleks and DD are not your 1-2 punch
to success the better we are .

if you draft Grigs or Galchenyuk , at some point they are your #1 and the 2 way Eller is your #2

Eller is bigger , faster , stronger , a way better defender , has a better shot and goal scoring potential . He scored 17 goals playing with NO ONE AND NO PP

DD wouldnt of scored 5 goals playing third line with Blunden and other junk .

lets wake up folks , we cant compete with these 2 centers and improve moving forward


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Maybe in a few years.

We could be patient for a while instead of throwing young players or players in their prime out.

Its possible to have 3 centers playing 17-18 minutes anyways. Furthermore we can't expect Plekanec and Desharnais to both play 82 games. If we are optimistic Eller might have to play 10 to 20 games in the top6. He could play more if there are serious injuries (bad luck to talk about this but its definitely part of the game. Eller will get his chance to prove himself)
patient for what , what more does Eller have to do to get top 6 minutes ?

is a 30 year old Pleks who has proven he isnt a playoff warrior , and after 7 years
enough ?

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Well this is just stupid

Hes clearly a decent 2nd line center

The problem is is that he's our first line center..

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As long as he plays with Cole and Paccioretty..

Personally I think Desharnais is grossly overrated.. what will become more obvious next year when his wingers change... Cole and Pac create alot of room on the ice with their speed and size.. DD remains weak and not very fast, has no shot and will become expectable in the future..
exactly

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Really not a prototypical 2nd C (IMO, the prototypical 2nd C is Rod Brind'Amour, so...), but a very good 2nd C, and he's a guy that could really do DAMAGE if Sedin gets the toughest matchups (which he should get).

Desharnais got size problems, but he is actually faster than what suggested by most and is actually pretty decent along the boards. All in all, think of a manlier version of Mike Ribeiro.

On a 30 teams "league", DD is a low-end 1st C (with the right surroundings) or a high-end, albeit untypical, 2nd C. Good job setting him up with JVR and Okposo. The comments on the first page (re. Desharnais not being a good C) actually says much more on the knowledge level of their authors than about anything else.
a prototypical #2 is Kessler , Brindamour, Bergeron , not DD

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Why so much hate on deharnais? He is a top 6 forward for sure. I highly doubt that paciorrety would've had a 33 goals and 65 point season if he hadn't played with deharnais.

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They are different style of players but I like to think of him as our version of Philly's Briere. I won't build around him down the middle but he's a great hockey player and totally a piece of the puzzle. Plekanec is a great player who provides strong defence as well as underappreciated offence and Eller may be developing into a very sturdy 50-point pivot. Next season we could have three great players down the middle, if they add a solid veteran fourth line centreman we should be OK as long as Bergevin can find Plekanec a Cole/Pacioretty clone.
Briere is one the best clutch playoff performers in the last 10 years

DD is not Briere

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Briere is one the best clutch playoff performers in the last 10 years

DD is not Briere
DD only played 5 playoffs NHL hockey game, so we don't know ..

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It's worth noting that even when he played with Cammalleri and Leblanc a few games, that line was producing (even though those two are no Cole/Pacioretty in terms of creating room). DD is a good playmaker, because of his size he's best between grittier guys but he's certainly a smart hockey player and not just a product of his linemates.

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a prototypical #2 is Kessler , Brindamour, Bergeron , not DD
Why do you bother reading messages if you don't have any kind of basic reading skills?

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patient for what , what more does Eller have to do to get top 6 minutes ?

is a 30 year old Pleks who has proven he isnt a playoff warrior , and after 7 years
enough ?
Produce.

Look at Desharnais - he's on the first line because he outplayed Eller and Gomez. He produced with plugs and is a clear offensive threat. Eller? His problem is he didn't use his linemates enough (they suck, I know, but he needs them) and he lacked consistency. He's still very young and

Right now Desharnais and Plekanec are better than Eller. When Eller is going to prove that sentence to be wrong then he's going to bump one of these two to the 3rd line. Desharnais is much better offensively while Plekanec is better offensively AND defensively. Unless we want to tank next year there is absolutely NO incentive to trade Plekanec. Plekanec is the responsible veteran center, yet he's young enough that he can play 22+ minutes when necessary. He's not an offensive dynamo but he can score a goal anytime and will never give up on his defensive duties. He's the stabilizing factor, a constant. Much like Gorges on D.

Meanwhile Eller is no Jordan Staal and yet Staal has been 3rd line center on his team for years now. Its a prized luxury to have many centers that could be top2 centers. I expect Eller to put up 40+ points next year, that would be great as a 3rd line center and would really help spread the offensive. He will likely be a key part of the 2nd PP wave unlike last year and hopefully rack up a few points there.

As for Plekanec and the playoffs - he's had a really bad playoff performance, otherwise he's never been ''bad''. Not gonna count on him to score a million points but he's going to get the job done. He's going to put defensive and mistake free play before points and personal glory. Again, you need these kind of players.

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Briere is one the best clutch playoff performers in the last 10 years

DD is not Briere
How many cups does Briere have?

Briere did rack up a lot of points in the playoffs, he's also much older. Briere's first PPG playoff performance came when he was 28. For all we know Desharnais could put up similar clutch effort by then. They are similar player.


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The big question mark on DD right now is whether he was the catalyst on the line or if he was just the beneficiary of some sick linemates/chemistry.

Who knows yet. By no means is here yet a 2C. If he can produce again like this next year, perhaps even with other linemates at time due to injury, then yes, we might have our own st Louis (different position though)

However, if he can't produce, then he is absolutely worthless to other teams, but could still be useful for us. Next year is make or break time for DD. It's in his hands.

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The big question mark on DD right now is whether he was the catalyst on the line or if he was just the beneficiary of some sick linemates/chemistry.

Who knows yet. By no means is here yet a 2C. If he can produce again like this next year, perhaps even with other linemates at time due to injury, then yes, we might have our own st Louis (different position though)

However, if he can't produce, then he is absolutely worthless to other teams, but could still be useful for us. Next year is make or break time for DD. It's in his hands.
I'm sure that if he stays healthy he will produce like this year or even more

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Let's say an opposing forward has the puck and there's only one player in a position to to try to contain him before he reaches the goalie:

1) Gretzky
2) Carbonneau
3) Gainey

Would anyone choose Gretzky?
I'd choose him over Desharnais. That's the answer you deserve.

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Produce.
Definitely true.

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Look at Desharnais - he's on the first line because he outplayed Eller and Gomez. He produced with plugs and is a clear offensive threat. Eller? His problem is he didn't use his linemates enough (they suck, I know, but he needs them) and he lacked consistency.

Right now Desharnais and Plekanec are better than Eller. When Eller is going to prove that sentence to be wrong then he's going to bump one of these two to the 3rd line. Desharnais is much better offensively while Plekanec is better offensively AND defensively. Unless we want to tank next year there is NO incentive to trade Plekanec.

Eller is no Jordan Staal, and Staal has been 3rd line center on his team for a while. Its a prized luxury to have many centers that could be top2 centers.
I agree for the most part. Ideally our winger depth improves leading into next season, meaning even our 3rd line could feature enough for Eller to work with, and really show some of that top 6 centre potential on a more consistent basis. I, personally, am not ready to proclaim DD as the "real deal" yet, though. We'll see how the next coach uses him, and how much impact he has in that role, and maybe then I'll have seen enough.

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