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05-17-2012, 01:19 PM
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Chi/sj


Joe Pavelski
Douglass Murray
Alex Stalock


Patrick Sharp

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05-17-2012, 01:25 PM
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actually a pretty good move for both..

Chicago gets Toews-Pavelski-Bolland down the middle

Sharks get a scoring winger to add to the top 6.

3rd party: think its a good trade (although i know nothing of Stalock)

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your definitely gonna have to take stalock out of the over. p. sharp aint that much better then pavelski

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05-17-2012, 01:33 PM
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actually a pretty good move for both..

Chicago gets Toews-Pavelski-Bolland down the middle

Sharks get a scoring winger to add to the top 6.

3rd party: think its a good trade (although i know nothing of Stalock)
stalock is the sharks best goalie prospect and possibly replace niemi in a year or two

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Joe Pavelski
Douglass Murray
Alex Stalock


Patrick Sharp
I think this is a solid trade. Good job.

Not sure who Stalock is though?

Any insight?

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05-17-2012, 01:37 PM
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stalock is the sharks best goalie prospect and possibly replace niemi in a year or two
oh then ya remove him..

Sharp
Crawford

for

Pavelski
Niemi


yes Niemi back to Chicago.

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05-17-2012, 01:40 PM
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maybe I'm seeing something wrong here, but this trade to me seems hugely tilted in Chicago's favour... I mean the difference between Pavelski and Sharp is what, maybe 5-10 points per year? With Sharp being like 3 years older?

Personally, I would not add a pretty good Dman and a good goalie prospect just to get older and not much better...

not really a fan of either team btw...

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maybe I'm seeing something wrong here, but this trade to me seems hugely tilted in Chicago's favour... I mean the difference between Pavelski and Sharp is what, maybe 5-10 points per year? With Sharp being like 3 years older?

Personally, I would not add a pretty good Dman and a good goalie prospect just to get older and not much better...

not really a fan of either team btw...
It's hugely tilted. I would much rather have Pavelski.

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05-17-2012, 01:48 PM
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Too much going to CHI. 1 for 1 is fair.

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It's pretty decent but either San Jose needs another player back, or you have to take off Murray/Stalock.

Sharks want to get rid of Murray but if we don't get any D this offseason in free agency we'll need him.

Stalock is the goalie of the future for the Sharks, but I think Niemi can play for a long time. By then we'll have a new prospect.

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oh then ya remove him..

Sharp
Crawford

for

Pavelski
Niemi


yes Niemi back to Chicago.
Hell no to this deal and no to the deal in the original proposal, Pavelski is worth more than that.

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05-17-2012, 02:51 PM
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Pavelski for Sharp straight up is more than fair.

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05-17-2012, 02:57 PM
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Not interested in dealing with DW after the offersheet.

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05-17-2012, 03:02 PM
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Not interested in dealing with DW after the offersheet.
It's assuming he gets replaced.

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05-17-2012, 03:13 PM
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Joe Pavelski
Douglass Murray
Alex Stalock


Patrick Sharp
This is tilted in Chicago's favor. Stalock is going to be our starter in a few years.

Pavelski
Murray

For

Sharp
3rd

This is a more reasonable deal.

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Just to make it clear, I'm trying to gauge the value of Murray and preferably one of the goalies you have in order to put together a deal.

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Just to make it clear, I'm trying to gauge the value of Murray and preferably one of the goalies you have in order to put together a deal.
Murray is worth a 2nd. You can have any of our goalies except Stalock.

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Murray is worth a 2nd. You can have any of our goalies except Stalock.
I thought Sateri was the coveted one. I guessed wrong

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I thought Sateri was the coveted one. I guessed wrong
Stalock is closer to being NHL ready, I think.

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It's assuming he gets replaced.
FYI, he's not getting fired.

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oh then ya remove him..

Sharp
Crawford

for

Pavelski
Niemi


yes Niemi back to Chicago.
I have zero interest in seeing Niemi in a Hawks uniform again.
And he isn't that much better than Crawford.

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05-17-2012, 04:03 PM
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Pavelski for Sharp straight up is more than fair.
I like Sharp a lot, but I would rather keep Pavs. If Sharp could be had for some combo of Clowe, Murray, and Sexsmith (since ther was a req for a young goalie) that would better. But I doubt Chicago does that.

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Take out Stalock and I do it. It essentially is Pavelski for Sharp, Murray is dead weight and the Hawks would be doing us a favor by taking him off our hands.

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There's no justification for valuing Sharp over Pavelski. Sharp is a slightly better offensive player but Pavelski is a slightly better defensive player with age and a better contract on his side. If anything, Pavelski for Sharp would require the Hawks to add although it wouldn't be something significant.

I don't mind the basis of a Pavelski for Sharp swap but Crawford is not going to be involved coming back even if we want to offer to help your goaltending situation with either Niemi or Greiss or Sateri or Stalock. You'll have to find a home for Crawford elsewhere. Murray's value should be at a 2nd rounder around the middle of the round or back. Chicago's pick at 48 is about where I'd expect Murray to get if you maxed out for one asset on him.

However, at the end of the day, even though the Sharks and Hawks do make good trading partners, I don't think Bowman will want to deal with Wilson. I don't think Wilson would have a tough time doing it but I could understand Bowman having issues with how the Hjalmarsson thing played out.

I'd probably do Pavelski, Murray, and a 7th for Sharp, a 2nd, and a 3rd.

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05-17-2012, 04:50 PM
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I don't see why Chicago would do this to be honest. Sharp is one of their best forwards and they get back a downgrade (who is only 2 and a half years younger) in Pavelski, a 5/6 d-man and a goalie prospect (easily the least valuable prospects in hockey).

For what reason?

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