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05-17-2012, 03:32 PM
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No. 5 overall


No. 18 overall
Hjalmarsson
Beach
Frolik
Emery

***Absolutely no budging on Frolik and Emery being in the deal, it's a deal breaker
So then we'd have ANOTHER highly touted center prospect in our system. A guy who may or may not (most likely not) be NHL ready in his first year. We'd then be short a #3 Dman.

Keith-Seabrook
???-Montador
Leddy-Olsen

...yuck. And if you're answer to our what would be terrible defense is "Sign Suter" then dont even bother responding.

The #5 pick would be great but this isn't a good hockey move for the Hawks. Toronto gets a top 4 Dman, 2 cap dumps, a maybe prospect, and a mid-late first for a potential franchise Centerman? Toronto gets ripped off too.

Edit: Leaf fans complaints about quality vs quantity are borderline hysterical for the record. Talk about hypocrisy

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05-17-2012, 03:43 PM
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Edit: Leaf fans complaints about quality vs quantity are borderline hysterical for the record. Talk about hypocrisy
To be fair, the Leaf fans complaining about same and the Leaf fans who perpetuate that kind of madness generally aren't the same people.

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05-17-2012, 03:45 PM
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So then we'd have ANOTHER highly touted center prospect in our system. A guy who may or may not (most likely not) be NHL ready in his first year. We'd then be short a #3 Dman.

Keith-Seabrook
???-Montador
Leddy-Olsen

...yuck. And if you're answer to our what would be terrible defense is "Sign Suter" then dont even bother responding.

The #5 pick would be great but this isn't a good hockey move for the Hawks. Toronto gets a top 4 Dman, 2 cap dumps, a maybe prospect, and a mid-late first for a potential franchise Centerman? Toronto gets ripped off too.

Edit: Leaf fans complaints about quality vs quantity are borderline hysterical for the record. Talk about hypocrisy
Really are you really going to call us on hypocrisy after saying yourself we get ripped off badly?

I agree there has been some bad Leaf fan proposals but that doesn't mean this one is any less BS

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05-17-2012, 03:47 PM
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No. 5 overall


No. 18 overall
Hjalmarsson
Beach
Frolik
Emery

***Absolutely no budging on Frolik and Emery being in the deal, it's a deal breaker
Why would you think Toronto would have ANY interest in doing this?

Emery???????? Seriously???????? Frolik???????? Healthy scratch in the playoffs. Beach? OMG this is terrible.

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05-17-2012, 03:48 PM
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No. 5 overall


No. 18 overall
Hjalmarsson
Beach
Frolik
Emery

***Absolutely no budging on Frolik and Emery being in the deal, it's a deal breaker
Call it a deal on the condition we can get

Toews

for

2nd Rd Pick
Liles
Colborne
Armstorng
Reimer

No budging on Armstrong either.

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To be fair, the Leaf fans complaining about same and the Leaf fans who perpetuate that kind of madness generally aren't the same people.
No and that's not a fair assumption. Don't throw all Leaf fans under the bus. To be fair generalizations are often young and yours sure is.

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05-17-2012, 03:52 PM
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Hjalmarrson and Beach are quality, the pick is too, we're just giving so much quality that we need Burke to do us a favor and figure it out with Frolik and Emery since Bowman obviously cannot.
Beach is quality? He fell in his draft year for a reason and he has yet to play a singe game in the NHL, not even 1 game. He had 10 points in 19 games this past season impressive to an extent but, this guy's has throw in value at the moment. Emery is a head case and there is a reason no body wanted him, Frolik had value at one time (Florida) but you can't expect him to be one of the centerpieces to get you into the top 5 of a draft. Hjalmarrson is a good player but not really something the leafs need tbh. So why does Toronto do this trade again?

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05-17-2012, 04:05 PM
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Hjalmarsson would be great under the Carlyle system.

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Call it a deal on the condition we can get

Toews

for

2nd Rd Pick
Liles
Colborne
Armstorng
Reimer

No budging on Armstrong either.
Let's compare..

Toews > 5th. No arguments there will sway me on this one.

18th pick > 35th pick

Hjalmarsson > Liles. Younger and better.

Beach = Colborne. Same draft year neither's made it yet. Similar AHL point averages.

Frolik > Armstrong. Younger, cheaper, way better career numbers,

Reimer > Emery- because of potential.

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Unless Toews, Kane, Keith, or Seabrook are on the table, Chicago has nothing to offer the Leafs for the #5 pick.

It won't be moved for quantity, it won't be moved to go back 20 spots in the draft, and it certainly won't be moved for the awful package in the OP.

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Why is Burke shopping the pick then?
He's shopping it to move UP in the draft. Not down. Thanks for coming out.

And no to your ****y deal.

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05-17-2012, 04:37 PM
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Unless Toews, Kane, Keith, or Seabrook are on the table, Chicago has nothing to offer the Leafs for the #5 pick.

It won't be moved for quantity, it won't be moved to go back 20 spots in the draft, and it certainly won't be moved for the awful package in the OP.
Patrick Sharp is missing from your list. Pretty Sure Toronto would have interest in Sharp too

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Unless Toews, Kane, Keith, or Seabrook are on the table, Chicago has nothing to offer the Leafs for the #5 pick.

It won't be moved for quantity, it won't be moved to go back 20 spots in the draft, and it certainly won't be moved for the awful package in the OP.
Welcome to the having nothing to offer club.

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Patrick Sharp is missing from your list. Pretty Sure Toronto would have interest in Sharp too
Really?!

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05-17-2012, 04:39 PM
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Hjalmarsson would be great under the Carlyle system.
he might be but that doesn't change the fact the Leafs need offense so he is a non starter

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Nope.

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Unless Toews, Kane, Keith, or Seabrook are on the table, Chicago has nothing to offer the Leafs for the #5 pick.


There isnt a player in this draft that will availible who will help the Hawks as much as those you listed.

Good job over valuing the 5th pick in the draft tho. Cant hurt.

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No and that's not a fair assumption. Don't throw all Leaf fans under the bus. To be fair generalizations are often young and yours sure is.
I'm assuming this was directed more at the person I was replying to.

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05-17-2012, 05:06 PM
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There isnt a player in this draft that will availible who will help the Hawks as much as those you listed.

Good job over valuing the 5th pick in the draft tho. Cant hurt.
For once I agree with you.

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05-17-2012, 06:36 PM
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Unless Toews, Kane, Keith, or Seabrook are on the table, Chicago has nothing to offer the Leafs for the #5 pick.

It won't be moved for quantity, it won't be moved to go back 20 spots in the draft, and it certainly won't be moved for the awful package in the OP.
I guess forsberg galchenyuk Murray and Grigorenko are all going to be as good as Toews Kane Keith and Seabrook. Terrible post.

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05-17-2012, 07:43 PM
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There isnt a player in this draft that will availible who will help the Hawks as much as those you listed.

Good job over valuing the 5th pick in the draft tho. Cant hurt.
He is just saying that any other player other than those listed won't net a 5th overall pick. I would assume he meant for those players the return would be 5th overall ++.

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He is just saying that any other player other than those listed won't net a 5th overall pick. I would assume he meant for those players the return would be 5th overall ++.
Thank you, one would think that would be a given. Martini must have had one too many Martinis tonight.

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05-17-2012, 09:20 PM
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Does anyone find it ironic that some Leaf fans are complaining about quantity vs. quality? Just saying...
Yes, but to be fair, the quantity vs quality is a universal screwing by every fan base to every other fan base.

This trade makes the leaf 3 points better in a season. MAYBE. I'm a habs fan and this is terrible for the leafs.

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No from the Leafs. This deal screams quality vs quantity.
it's about dang time you guys get suckered by one of those types of trades...

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Cap-wise this wouldn't work...plus the obvious 100,000,000 other reasons..

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