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05-17-2012, 08:22 PM
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Leafs retool

Straight up proposals from Leaf fans never seem to work out, so I'd like to flip things around.

In order of need, Leafs are missing:

1) #1 goalie (at least one that can start for 2-3 years while Reimer/Scrivens develop)
2) #1 centre
3) Power-forward in their Top 6
4) Veteran defense-man

Kessel is the only untouchable. Everyone else is fair game (including our #5)

For those teams willing to shop a player that fills one of our needs, what would you want coming back?

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05-17-2012, 08:28 PM
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Morrow for Bozak+Gunnarson?
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Morrow for Liles?

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05-17-2012, 08:30 PM
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Straight up proposals from Leaf fans never seem to work out, so I'd like to flip things around.

In order of need, Leafs are missing:

1) #1 goalie (at least one that can start for 2-3 years while Reimer/Scrivens develop)
2) #1 centre
3) Power-forward in their Top 6
4) Veteran defense-man

Kessel is the only untouchable. Everyone else is fair game (including our #5)

For those teams willing to shop a player that fills one of our needs, what would you want coming back?
Lupul and Gardiner are also untouchable

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05-17-2012, 08:35 PM
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Morrow for Bozak+Gunnarson?
or
Morrow for Liles?
I like both of those deals. Brenden Morrow would be a great addition to the Leafs. Veteran presence and adds some much needed grit to our Top 6.

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Lupul and Gardiner are also untouchable
Depends on the offer. I'd certainly move either if it means getting a dependable presence in net or a big-bodied centre.

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05-17-2012, 08:37 PM
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I like both of those deals. Brenden Morrow would be a great addition to the Leafs. Veteran presence and adds some much needed grit to our Top 6.
Yeah the 1st one was in a thread last week that both sides seemed OK with.

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Morrow for Bozak+Gunnarson?
or
Morrow for Liles?
I'd do either one of these two deals. Especially the second one.

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05-17-2012, 08:40 PM
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Morrow for Bozak+Gunnarson?
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Morrow for Liles?
I prefer the Liles one...but would consider both.

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05-17-2012, 08:41 PM
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Lupul and Gardiner are also untouchable
So, the leafs have what of value available for these assets besides the 5th overall ?

He did.

Hartley's 1st season the Thrashers had 78 points. Next year, 90, then 97 (made the playoffs ), then they sucked and he got fired


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05-17-2012, 08:44 PM
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So, the leafs have what of value available for these assets besides the 5th overall ?
That's why personally, I'd be willing to part with either.

At the very least, I'd like to look at proposals with either or both involved. Then myself and other Leaf fans can consider whether its a good trade for us or not.

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05-17-2012, 08:59 PM
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Morrow for Bozak+Gunnarson?
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Morrow for Liles?
No to the first one yes to the 2nd.


To the OP, Gardiner is as close to untouchable as he can get. It would take a mammoth offer for him.

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05-17-2012, 09:02 PM
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Strome + 4th for Gardiner + Kadri + 2nd

idk, just throwing **** out there.

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Strome + 4th for Gardiner + Kadri + 2nd

idk, just throwing **** out there.
Strome is not more valuable than Gardiner and Kadri lol.

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05-17-2012, 09:15 PM
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Strome + 4th for Gardiner + Kadri + 2nd

idk, just throwing **** out there.
While Strome certainly has potential, I'd prefer to get a centre with at least a little NHL experience. It'd be too risky putting him in the top line and relying on him to play top minutes when he's only played in the OHL.

Tavares on the other hand

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05-17-2012, 09:17 PM
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Strome is not more valuable than Gardiner and Kadri lol.
Im thinking by 4th he meant 4th overall, in which case, thats actually a pretty decent deal.

Leafs would get a better prospect to replace Kadri, and with could easily get Murray at the Draft, who would likely turn out better then Gardiner.

However, if he meant a 4th round pick, yea thats horrible.

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05-17-2012, 09:22 PM
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Jordan Staal
Paul Martin
Zybnek Michalek

for

Nikolai Kulemin
Jake Gardiner

Can add more if needed. Counter.

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05-17-2012, 09:24 PM
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Strome is not more valuable than Gardiner and Kadri lol.
Gardiner you can make the case for, but Strome definitely holds more value than Kadri.

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05-17-2012, 09:30 PM
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Jordan Staal
Paul Martin
Zybnek Michalek

for

Nikolai Kulemin
Jake Gardiner

Can add more if needed. Counter.
Leafs probably won't have the cap space for both Martin and Michalek. If you take out Michalek or add in Komisarek from the Leafs end I think its fair value.

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05-17-2012, 09:43 PM
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Strome + 4th for Gardiner + Kadri + 2nd

idk, just throwing **** out there.
If you mean 4th overall thats close. I rank Gardiner higher then any pick save Yakupov. For that reason I think I would decline this. Kadri is progressing, and still holds top 6 potential.

If you meant 4th rd pick, you're out to lunch.

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05-17-2012, 09:48 PM
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I'd be willing to part with Kessel to get a #1 center as our #5 pick seems like it will be Forsberg, a winger who can possibly replace Kessel in a couple years. Also I think #1 centers are very valuable and are almost never an overpayment when trading for one since they are just that rare. In my opinion one of Kessel or 5th overall is available, but not both.

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Gardiner you can make the case for, but Strome definitely holds more value than Kadri.
he ment together as a pair since the proposal also has us giving up the higher pick assuming the poster who posted the proposal ment 4th rounder and not 4th overall

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If you mean 4th overall thats close. I rank Gardiner higher then any pick save Yakupov. For that reason I think I would decline this. Kadri is progressing, and still holds top 6 potential.

If you meant 4th rd pick, you're out to lunch.
J Schultz > Gardiner (according to the coach of both)
J Schultz was said to go 5-10th in this draft...ergo...

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05-17-2012, 09:55 PM
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Gardiner you can make the case for, but Strome definitely holds more value than Kadri.
Please explain how a prospect still in junior who hasn't shown significant improvement from his draft year is more valuable than a prospect who has done very well in the AHL and has shown he can play well at times in the NHL. There is a better than 75% chance that Kadri will play a full NHL season next year and we don't even know if Strome can compete at the AHL level. Is it because Kadri is a Leafs prospect and Strome isn't?

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J Schultz > Gardiner (according to the coach of both)
J Schultz was said to go 5-10th in this draft...ergo...
Schultz hasnt played a game in the NHL. Comparing how they played previously doesnt really have bearing now. Gardiner led rookie dmen in pts this past season by a huge margin.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

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05-17-2012, 09:56 PM
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Colbrone,Gunnarson,Kulemin,2nd for NYI 4th overall

Kadri,Schenn,Bozak for Duchene

D'Amigo,Holzer,Reimer,3rd for Luongo

Get rid of L.A.C.K somehow

Draft-Galchenyuk 4th overall & Forseberg 5th overall

Sign-Suter,Penner,Schultz,Semin,Stoll

Lupul-Duchene-Kessel
Grabo-Gally-Forseberg
Penner-Stoll-Macarthur
Crabb-Steckel-Brownie

Suter-Phaneuf
Schultz-Gardiner
Liles-Franson/Holzer

Luongo
Scrivens

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J Schultz > Gardiner (according to the coach of both)
J Schultz was said to go 5-10th in this draft...ergo...
Probably true since it's rumoured (or outright told, not sure) the leafs asked to get Schultz in that trade instead of Gardiner. However, Gardiner has made the jump to the NHL and played well so at least for now I would have to say Gardiner > Schultz although that can easily change after we see Schultz for a couple dozen NHL games.

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