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05-17-2012, 08:00 PM
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A way to counteract the shot-blocking - allow picks

I think outlawing shotblocking or leaving your feet to block a shot is dumb. It's changing the game too much and penalizing a legitimate skill. I think a way to counteract the shot-blocking trend that's now en vogue is to allow picks. Currently it is illegal to pick a defending player in order to give room to an offensive teammate. Why? It isnt a health issue. Players wont be getting hurt by being picked.

Anything that will give more room and time to the attacking team at this point would be welcome.

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05-17-2012, 08:02 PM
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No.

Just no.

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I say allow it only in the offensive zones. Not in the neutral zone.

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Fake shots, players freeze/go down. Eventually they won't bite, then you rip the puck by them.

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Skill and speed. Teams need to stop loading up on two-way plugs.

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look you can either lessen the goalie equipment or the players body armor or you can change a few rules other wise we're going into the dead puck era #2. The obstruction of the 90's is gone and now the league has adjusted to "the new rules"

Artificially increasing scoring like the league did in 2006 was a cluster you know what. Yeah, scoring was up but games had 12 powerplays each and those kinds of games were even more boring than the old-school 2-1 Dead puck games. Lots of goal are scored now using picks its just that isnt called all that much. allowing it in the offensive zone only will give the skilled players more time and more shooting lanes.

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05-17-2012, 08:13 PM
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Shoot the puck harder. Aim for vitals.

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All these complaints and talk about shot blocking is ridiculous.

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no way. this would never work. i also think there would be healt reason and picks would progress to get more severe and there would be certain plays where someone would get blindsided by a pick andg et severely concussed

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Fake shots, players freeze/go down. Eventually they won't bite, then you rip the puck by them.
This basically, mike green did it like a boss before the caps got eliminated. So did kopitar last game on the 5 on 3. he had the puck in the high slot, faked the shot and the defensemen went down, then he let it go and beat smith.

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A month ago it was "We need to change the draft" and "The lottery must go"

Now all it is, "Shotblocking! It must go!"


How about this...how about we leave the game alone?

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Moving picks have slowly come back. It's my biggest beef with the NHL right now, allowing the obstruction crap to creep back into the game. It's not as bad as the 90's but it has been noticeable since the early spring.

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All you have to do is start winding up and letting them fly into guy's faces. they'll rethink dropping down for a shotblock real quick.

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You need offensively gifted players who can fake & dance around the shot blockers. Kovalchuk did exactly that on his snipe in the last game.

Maybe this will lead to more skilled players being used instead of always forgoing skill for size / grit.

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Actually, what is the reason for not allowing screens (picks) in hockey?

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If your shots are getting blocked, you aren't as skilled as you think.

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Actually, what is the reason for not allowing screens (picks) in hockey?
Just a guess, but in lacrosse(I play it, so I can comment on it and not the other sport where picks are prominent, basketball), you have to stand completely still. I'd imagine that it would be hard to judge for hockey whether a player was still or just slowly gliding.

Also, very few guys wear full shields, I would guess that people would complain about the possibility of running into someone and getting a stick or other equipment underneath a visor and the player getting hurt.

Probably some things I'm forgetting, but I am completely guessing here.

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Actually, what is the reason for not allowing screens (picks) in hockey?
Technically it is interference. You are supposed to allow a player to skate unimpeded unless they are carrying the puck....which means you can then kick the **** out of him.

Rule 56 - Interference

56.1 Interference - A strict standard on acts of interference must be adhered to in all areas of the rink.

Body Position: Body position shall be determined as the player skating in front of or beside his opponent, traveling in the same direction. A player who is behind an opponent, who does not have the puck, may not use his stick, body or free hand in order to restrain his opponent, but must skate in order to gain or reestablish his proper position in order to make a check.
A player is allowed the ice he is standing on (body position) and is not required to move in order to let an opponent proceed. A player may “block” the path of an opponent provided he is in front of his opponent and moving in the same direction. Moving laterally and without establishing body position, then making contact with the non-puck carrier is not permitted and will be penalized as interference. A player is always entitled to use his body position to lengthen an opponent’s path to the puck, provided his stick is not utilized (to make himself “bigger” and therefore considerably lengthening the distance his opponent must travel to get where he is going); his free hand is not used and he does not take advantage of his body position to deliver an otherwise illegal check.

Possession of the Puck: The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

Restrain: The actions of a player or goalkeeper who does not have body position, but instead uses illegal means (e.g. hook with stick; hold with hands, trip with the stick or in any manner) to impede an opponent who is not in possession of the puck. Illegal means are acts which allow a player or goalkeeper to establish, maintain or restore body position other than by skating.

Pick: A “pick” is the action of a player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent who is not in possession of the puck and is unaware of the impending check/hit. A player who is aware of an impending hit, not deemed to be a legal “battle for the puck,” may not be interfered with by a player delivering a “pick.” A player delivering a “pick” is one who moves into an opponent’s path without initially having body position, thereby taking him out of the play. When this is done, an interference penalty shall be assessed.

Free Hand: When a free hand is used to hold, pull, tug, grab or physically restrain an opponent from moving freely, this must be penalized as holding. The free hand may be used by a player to “fend off” an opponent or his stick, but may not be used to hold an opponent’s stick or body.
Stick: A player who does not have body position on his opponent, who uses his stick (either the blade or the shaft, including the butt-end of the shaft) to impede or prevent his opponent from moving freely on the ice shall be assessed a hooking penalty.

56.2 Minor Penalty - A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who interferes with or impedes the progress of an opponent who is not in possession of the puck.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who restrains an opponent who is attempting to “fore-check.”
A minor penalty shall be imposed on an attacking player who deliberately checks a defensive player, including the goalkeeper, who is not in possession of the puck.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who shall cause an opponent who is not in possession of the puck to be forced off-side, causing a stoppage in play. If this action causes a delayed off-side (and not necessarily a stoppage in play), then the application of a penalty for interference is subject to the judgment of the Referee.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who deliberately knocks a stick out of an opponent’s hand, or who prevents a player who has dropped his stick or any other piece of equipment from regaining possession of it.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who knocks or shoots any abandoned or broken stick or illegal puck or other debris towards an opposing puck carrier in a manner that could cause him to be distracted. (See also Rule 53 – Throwing Equipment.)
A minor penalty shall be imposed on any identifiable player on the players’ bench or penalty bench who, by means of his stick or his body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on the ice during the progress of the play. In addition, should a player about to come onto the ice, play the puck while one or both skates are still on the players’ or penalty bench, a minor penalty for interference shall be assessed.
The appropriate penalty according to the playing rules shall be assessed when a player on the players’ or penalty bench gets involved with an opponent on the ice during a stoppage in play. The player(s) involved may be subject to additional sanctions as appropriate pursuant to Rule 28 – Supplementary Discipline.

56.3 Bench Minor Penalty - A bench minor penalty shall be imposed when an unidentifiable player on the players’ bench or penalty bench or any Coach or non-playing Club personnel who, by means of his stick or his body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on the ice during the progress of the play.

56.4 Major Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence, to a player guilty of interfering with an opponent (see 56.5).

56.5 Game Misconduct Penalty – When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

56.6 Penalty Shot - When a player in control of the puck in the neutral or attacking zone and having no other opponent to pass than the goalkeeper is interfered with by a stick or any part thereof or any other object or piece of equipment thrown or shot by any member of the defending team including the Coach or non-playing Club personnel, a penalty shot shall be awarded to the non-offending team. When a Coach or non-playing Club personnel is guilty of such an act, he shall be automatically suspended from the game, ordered to the dressing room and the matter will be reported to the Commissioner for possible further disciplinary action.

56.7 Awarded Goal - If, when the goalkeeper has been removed from the ice, any member of his team (including the goalkeeper) not legally on the ice, including the Coach or non-playing Club personnel, interferes by means of his body, stick or any other object or piece of equipment with the movements of the puck or an opposing player in the neutral or attacking zone, the Referee shall immediately award a goal to the non-offending team. When a Coach or non-playing Club personnel is guilty of such an act, he shall be automatically suspended from the game, ordered to the dressing room and the matter will be reported to the Commissioner for possible further disciplinary action.

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05-17-2012, 11:38 PM
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Devils, especially Kovy, were taking a lot more fake shots in game 2 to get the Rangers on the ice and skate around them. Worked beautifully during the PP when Kovy scored.

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05-17-2012, 11:40 PM
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Picks happen all the damn time without penalties being called
I'd hate to see the game when it's legal.

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Deflections high in the slot, if they want to collapse create chaos in front with a bouncing puck. It's just another technique, find a way to beat it.

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I don't see a problem in them installing a moving pick violation where if you go out of your way to (reaching or rapidly turning) to set a pick the face off comes outside the zone. That way there is something in between a good pick and interference.

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Devils, especially Kovy, were taking a lot more fake shots in game 2 to get the Rangers on the ice and skate around them. Worked beautifully during the PP when Kovy scored.
Really shot blocking is more on the fault of the shooter than the player blocking it, especially if they are selling out on every block attempt. It's 100% the shooters fault if they get their shot blocked. Fake shots and mving the puck are how you counter it, not rule changes.

However, I don't understand why picking is illegal as long as you are not reaching or immediately changing direction. If you are just gliding in the right direction, intentionally or not, you should be able to hold your ground and brace for impact.

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We talk about goalie pads being too big...where is the talk of the player's equipment being too protective and allows them to fearlessly throw themselves in front of shots? The talk for a while was shoulder pads are too hard and can injuries. I'm not saying have them wear no padding but the extra armor only emboldens them to get in front of shots. Helmets should be the most protective piece of equipment but the extra padding on players has to play in to the fearless nature of shot blockers.

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