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Well it didn't take long for this thread for fans of other teams to come in and make offers to devolve into a bunch of Leafs fans arguing about Gardiner is and posting their NHL 12 off-season plans.
Schultz hasnt played a game in the NHL. Comparing how they played previously doesnt really have bearing now. Gardiner led rookie dmen in pts this past season by a huge margin.
I've watched him all season and he is a very special player. Carlyle said so, Wilson said so, analysts all said so and compares him to Niedermeyer and Coffey. He's a special player. It's scary to think that Gardiner only got his confidence offensively at the all star break and after that he produced at a 45 point pace.
if he truly gains confidence he will be something special.
...google his end to end goal from last night's Marlies game; true, AHL, but, man did he make the whole team look bad.
if you need that many pieces it's not really a re-toll is it?
if gardiner, lupul, kessel and so on are untouchables, the leafs do not have the pieces to get those you mentioned above ^.
sit tight, draft right is my suggestion.
Gardiner and Lupul are fair game as far as I'm concerned.
Reason why we'd (ideally) be getting most of these pieces this offseason is because Burke will lose his job if we don't make the playoffs next season. Therefore, he'll likely try to make some big moves. That's why I'd be willing to accept say...a solid goalie in his mid-late 30s. It wouldn't be a long-term solution to our #1 goalie problem, but it'd be better than 3.00 GAA Reimer.
Our long-term future is why I'd prefer to keep our picks, although it does depend on the offer.
Gardiner and Lupul are fair game as far as I'm concerned.
Reason why we'd (ideally) be getting most of these pieces this offseason is because Burke will lose his job if we don't make the playoffs next season. Therefore, he'll likely try to make some big moves. That's why I'd be willing to accept say...a solid goalie in his mid-late 30s. It wouldn't be a long-term solution to our #1 goalie problem, but it'd be better than 3.00 GAA Reimer.
Our long-term future is why I'd prefer to keep our picks, although it does depend on the offer.
So lets see if i have this, you want to sell a possible 10+ years of Gardiner for a couple of years of a mid to late 30's goaltender?? That doesn't seem like good asset management.
So lets see if i have this, you want to sell a possible 10+ years of Gardiner for a couple of years of a mid to late 30's goaltender?? That doesn't seem like good asset management.
Gardiner for an aging goaltender? No.
Gardiner+ for Staal (23 years old) with the guarantee that he resigns here? Absolutely.
Gardiner and Lupul are fair game as far as I'm concerned.
Reason why we'd (ideally) be getting most of these pieces this offseason is because Burke will lose his job if we don't make the playoffs next season. Therefore, he'll likely try to make some big moves. That's why I'd be willing to accept say...a solid goalie in his mid-late 30s. It wouldn't be a long-term solution to our #1 goalie problem,but it'd be better than 3.00 GAA Reimer.
Our long-term future is why I'd prefer to keep our picks, although it does depend on the offer.
Let me preface this by saying I DO NOT want to part with the #5, but....
1) TO COL: Liles/Blacker/2nd
OR
Liles/Lupul
OR
#5 oveall straight up
TO TOR:Stastny
Why?: The Avs could use some points from the D, especially on PP, and a Liles' return gives them that long-term at a decent price. Hate the idea of parting with Blacker or Lupul, but Liles alone does not get Stastny. You probably still have to sweeten the pot.
Stastny, at just 26, gives us a legitimate #1 centre and allows for the C drafted (assuming the #5 isn't gone) to develop. He only has one more year left on his deal, so he would have to be signed to an extension.
If above does not work, kick the tires on Getzlaf and if he is available, go hard after him:
TO ANA:Joffrey Lupul/5th overall
TO TOR:Getzlaf
WHY: OK, I know I am about to get flamed by my fellow Leaf fans, but you have to give up something to get something back, right? If Selaane retires, the Ducks need a top six forward. They get that in Lupul, and a high pick for the future. Welcome back, Lupul.
Is it an overpayment? I'm not so sure. Lupul excelled last year, but no one saw that coming. I think you trade him now when his value is high and you can get a stud C in Getzlaf. This deal would obviously hinge on Getzlaf signing an extension. Getzlaf and Kessel (and maybe even Lupul) together? Yes, please.
Goaltending:
A) See if we can acquire Luongo for a decent prospect, a possible cap dump and a second. Don't want to turn this into a Canuck thread saying it isn't enough, but if we can get him at a decent price, he is the best available. If not, Plan B.
B) Attempt to sign Vokoun, if he plans on staying in NA, as a stopgap for a couple of years.
C)Failing that, go after Berner or Harding and platoon him with Reimer or Scrivens and hope for the best. Not an ideal scenario, but one that won't see us part with more than we want.
Last edited by Holy Mackinaw: 05-18-2012 at 10:43 AM.
Let me preface this by saying I DO NOT want to part with the #5, but....
1) TO COL: Liles/Blacker/2nd
OR
Liles/Lupul
OR
#5 oveall straight up
TO TOR:Stastny
Why?: The Avs could use some points from the D, especially on PP, and a Liles' return gives them that long-term at a decent price. Hate the idea of parting with Blacker or Lupul, but Liles alone does not get Stastny. You probably still have to sweeten the pot.
Stastny, at just 26, gives us a legitimate #1 centre and allows for the C drafted (assuming the #5 isn't gone) to develop. He only has one more year left on his deal, so he would have to be signed to an extension.
If above does not work, kick the tires on Getzlaf and if he is available, go hard after him:
TO ANA:Joffrey Lupul/5th overall
TO TOR:Getzlaf
WHY: OK, I know I am about to get flamed by my fellow Leaf fans, but you have to give up something to get something back, right? If Selaane retires, the Ducks need a top six forward. They get that in Lupul, and a high pick for the future. Welcome back, Lupul.
Is it an overpayment? I'm not so sure. Lupul excelled last year, but no one saw that coming. I think you trade him now when his value is high and you can get a stud C in Getzlaf. This deal would obviously hinge on Getzlaf signing an extension. Getzlaf and Kessel (and maybe even Lupul) togetgher? Yes, please.
Goaltending:
A) See if we can acquire Luongo for a decent prospect, a possible cap dump and a second. Don't want to turn this into a Canuck thread saying it isn't enough, but if we can get him at a decent price, he is the best available. If not, Plan B.
B) Attempt to sign Vokoun, if he plans on staying in NA, as a stopgap for a couple of years.
C)Failing that, go after Berner or Harding and platoon him with Reimer or Scrivens and hope for the best. Not an ideal scenario, but one that won't see us part with more than we want.
We need a top line C so its not horrible. I was going to say Murray is not dumb enough to trade more assets back to Toronto to re-acquire Lupul, however I then realized he let Beauchemin walk and traded us gards and lupul to re-acquire him so i guess its not out of the question.
Acquiring a number one center, a number one goalie and a power forward in the top 6 sounds like a heck of a lot more than a 'retool'. The Leafs will be fortunate if they are able to snag one of those. A lot of teams want those assets and anyone who has one is not likely to be interested in selling it except at a pretty high price.
Acquiring a number one center, a number one goalie and a power forward in the top 6 sounds like a heck of a lot more than a 'retool'. The Leafs will be fortunate if they are able to snag one of those. A lot of teams want those assets and anyone who has one is not likely to be interested in selling it except at a pretty high price.
If you read, it is two deals, different scenarios.
The Leafs don't need to retool and make a big splash, they just need some character role players and some vet leadership. That's really not that difficult to pick up if they have cap room.
Once they get that, then just rebuild the system to a more current explosive style (maybe a 2-3) and they are on their way. Does that mean they'll make the playoffs? Maybe - maybe not. But it let's them build their team and their prospects mixed with character guys who can fit in the locker room.
I'm asking fans of other teams to make proposals, not the other way around. Otherwise this will turn into another "LOL Leaf fans" topic, when all I want is to get a realistic feel for what could be accomplished this off season.
That has an unfortunate tendency to happen anyways thanks to the vocal minority around here. Still, I salute your determination; we need more Leafs fans willing to have good discussions about this stuff... and able to deal with the reputation they've been unfortunately saddled with as a result of the incessant crowing of the hopelessly insane.
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Originally Posted by Badger Mayhew
Don't know much about Murray, but I'd definitely be interested in seeing offers for the other two.
Murray's a positional shutdown guy and really good at it. Not sure how the Leafs' defense is supposed to be structured, but he'd probably be a nice reliable depth add in case Schenn continues to have issues.
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Leafs probably won't have the cap space for both Martin and Michalek. If you take out Michalek or add in Komisarek from the Leafs end I think its fair value.
I'd take out Martin (who is trash) way before I take out Michalek who is actually one of the better PK defensmen out there.
Why Chicago does this: They downgrade their top six by replacing Sharp with Grabovski, but they get that elusive 2nd line center that will provide greater balance to the top six (Toews, Grabovski down the middle.. Kane and Hossa at RW, Left Wing remains open for Stalberg likely at one spot and hopefully Saad or a Free Agent). The number 5 pick will give Chicago a great prospect here.
Why Toronto does this: Sharp is a significant upgrade over Grabovski. Sharp's top four seasons have all shattered Grabovski's career high. This gives them a second elusive sniper to go along with Kessel that can play on the 2nd line and the point on the powerplay. With a contract that's the same length and only 0.4 greater in cap hit. Toronto immediately gets better. The 5th pick is the valuable asset that makes it worth Chicago's consideration to do this.
Why Chicago does this: They downgrade their top six by replacing Sharp with Grabovski, but they get that elusive 2nd line center that will provide greater balance to the top six (Toews, Grabovski down the middle.. Kane and Hossa at RW, Left Wing remains open for Stalberg likely at one spot and hopefully Saad or a Free Agent). The number 5 pick will give Chicago a great prospect here.
Why Toronto does this: Sharp is a significant upgrade over Grabovski. Sharp's top four seasons have all shattered Grabovski's career high. This gives them a second elusive sniper to go along with Kessel that can play on the 2nd line and the point on the powerplay. With a contract that's the same length and only 0.4 greater in cap hit. Toronto immediately gets better. The 5th pick is the valuable asset that makes it worth Chicago's consideration to do this.
Leafs pass without much thought.
Grabo for Sharp has the makings of a good deal, but, for the the Leafs to consider moving the 5th, offer up Towes. ...No, didnt think so.
1) TO COL: Liles/Blacker/2nd
OR
Liles/Lupul
OR
#5 oveall straight up
TO TOR:Stastny
The Avs have no incentives to do any of those trades.
We traded Liles, he won't be coming back. Which isn't to say Avs fans don't wish him well. We have no need for Blacker or another 2nd rounder. We possibly have 2 this year already and we have 4 d prospects better than Blacker.
We don't want to buy high on Lupul.
We're past the early portions of our rebuild, a #5 overall doesn't help us as much as Stastny does.
