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05-19-2012, 10:41 AM
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no BR is a center , PA a wing and for the record PA had a better season by far. He's gonna land a 4 year 17-19M deal.


If you think Parenteau had a better season than Richards, there is no hope for you.

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I really wanted Smyth at the deadline along with Kubina(lol). But Smyth would've done wonders to this team on the PP and providing a good cycle game on the bottom 6.

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Maybe next year, Nino will score 2 goals, instead of 1! If you're going to rush all your talent, it's not gonna work.
True, but trading them at the wrong time like what Milbury did is worst. I'll give Snow credit, he refuses to trade away his top prospects. Eventually, Okposo, Grabner, Tavares, Neilson, Moulson,...etc will become Vets & start carrying their young talent to success.

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I know why you are named 26Kocur26, you took a couple too many of Kocur's rights to the head.

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Make fun of the Isles, but they are gathering a ton of talent & eventually talent breaks out massively!!
They have a ton of talent on their first two lines, but little depth and a poor defensive corps. They also have a question mark on their goaltending. They will probably be changing coaches again before you know it.

Islanders are going to do nothing in the immediate future. Their best hope is if they can leave the NY market and start attracting FA's in another one.

Tavares is a great player, but he isn't enough for them to be competing. Perhaps a playoff spot and nothing more.

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If you think Parenteau had a better season than Richards, there is no hope for you.
he did and @ a quarter of the cost.

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[QUOTE=Calle62;49889211]

If you think Parenteau had a better season than Richards, there is no hope for you.[/QUOTE


Richards was not that much better than PA this past season. The numbers say so! Unfortunately for PA, he was on a mediocre team.

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I really wanted Smyth at the deadline along with Kubina(lol). But Smyth would've done wonders to this team on the PP and providing a good cycle game on the bottom 6.
Bingo! that's who I wanted - both of them.

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True, but trading them at the wrong time like what Milbury did is worst. I'll give Snow credit, he refuses to trade away his top prospects. Eventually, Okposo, Grabner, Tavares, Neilson, Moulson,...etc will become Vets & start carrying their young talent to success.
It took the Rangers 7! Years to "buy their mistakes away." 7 years of no playoffs. They were still making money, but if you have incompetent management, even money didn't fix it all. They're lucky they drafted Lundqvist in 2000, or else there are no playoffs in 2005-06 either.

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Bingo! that's who I wanted - both of them.
Looking in hindsight, Kubina became a healthy scratch with the Flyers of all teams.

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They have a ton of talent on their first two lines, but little depth and a poor defensive corps. They also have a question mark on their goaltending. They will probably be changing coaches again before you know it.

Islanders are going to do nothing in the immediate future. Their best hope is if they can leave the NY market and start attracting FA's in another one.

Tavares is a great player, but he isn't enough for them to be competing. Perhaps a playoff spot and nothing more.
The Islanders are not as far away as you may think. They were almost .500 this season & as I recall, they actually played well against the top teams in the East this past season. They threw the Pens into a spiral when they slapped them silly in that back to back games at the end of the season.

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Islanders could've bought there mistakes away.

But then DiPietro took an arrow to the knee.

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Islanders could've bought there mistakes away.

But then DiPietro took an arrow to the knee.
You know his contract isn't that bad, its the owner & the county of Nassau thats the real problem!

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The Islanders are not as far away as you may think. They were almost .500 this season & as I recall, they actually played well against the top teams in the East this past season. They threw the Pens into a spiral when they slapped them silly in that back to back games at the end of the season.
You keep on telling yourself that. There is an islander board, feel free to post there.

Islanders will continue to be a punchline until they move. They can't attract FA's and their team development has been fairly poor outside of a few bright spots.

But beating the Pens a couple times in the season, and being almost dead last in the east is surely signs they will be competing for a cup.

I have almost no hatred for Isles, but being almost a .500 team doesn't mean they are getting any closer to doing anything.

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The Islanders are not as far away as you may think. They were almost .500 this season & as I recall, they actually played well against the top teams in the East this past season. They threw the Pens into a spiral when they slapped them silly in that back to back games at the end of the season.
Yes, thank you for beating the Pens and allowing the NYR to maintain their first seed.

Isles-Rangers games are always so unpredictable. You never know what's going to happen! One game can be 1-0. The next one can be 6-5.

Isles need depth in their bottom 6. A 2C, and they need some new bodies in the D corps. Streit is getting old. He's not a first D on most teams, and certainly not on a playoff team. (Although...Pens and Flyers might need him.)

Yeah, Tavares is good. Top 10 in my book, but he's not going to lead the Isles to the playoffs by himself.

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Yes, thank you for beating the Pens and allowing the NYR to maintain their first seed.

Isles-Rangers games are always so unpredictable. You never know what's going to happen! One game can be 1-0. The next one can be 6-5.

Isles need depth in their bottom 6. A 2C, and they need some new bodies in the D corps. Streit is getting old. He's not a first D on most teams, and certainly not on a playoff team. (Although...Pens and Flyers might need him.)

Yeah, Tavares is good. Top 10 in my book, but he's not going to lead the Isles to the playoffs by himself.
True, very true!

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If only we had upped Nashville's bid of a first round pick for a rental on Paul Gaustad...

There was no plan B because no plan Bs were available. Those that were were obscenely overpriced and would add nothing to this team offensively.

Besides the fact that your premise is off; we're in the conference finals for the first time since 97 when everyone was screaming that this was a mediocre borderline playoff team last year and that we should tank.

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Why are we even discussing the islanders? They are completely irrelevant.
they have been for many years too,and it probably wont change any time soon

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We're tied 1-1 in the ECF and somehow the failed deadline is rearing it's ugly head? Jesus do people listen to themselves?

Honestly, what the **** is ****ing wrong with your ****ing mindset.

I forgot we're supposed to sweep every series.

Not Los Angeles? Bust.

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If only we had upped Nashville's bid of a first round pick for a rental on Paul Gaustad...

There was no plan B because no plan Bs were available. Those that were were obscenely overpriced and would add nothing to this team offensively.

Besides the fact that your premise is off; we're in the conference finals for the first time since 97 when everyone was screaming that this was a mediocre borderline playoff team last year and that we should tank.
Dude is that icon from the Secret of Monkey Island? That is awesome.

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Listen this thead has nothing to do with the Isles - Zero.

This is a thread about an inept GM - continuing being an inept GM .

If you don't think we're hurting in the talent dept you're nuts .

If you don't think we're struggling you're either not watching or you're in denial or you don't understand the concept of hockey .

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Listen this thead has nothing to do with the Isles - Zero.

This is a thread about an inept GM - continuing being an inept GM .

If you don't think we're hurting in the talent dept you're nuts .

If you don't think we're struggling you're either not watching or you're in denial or you don't understand the concept of hockey .
And if you can't realize that this team was picked to finish no better than 6th place this year and be ousted in the 2nd round, then you're either in denial or you don't understand the concept of overachieving.

This team is in the Eastern Conference ****ing Finals for the first time since 1997, and we are tied 1-1, possibly going up 2-1 today, and we are going to now complain about management at the trade deadline? Go ****ing whine elsewhere.

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Yeah, we should have traded a first for Gaustad. lol You'll fit right in around here OP.

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Listen this thead has nothing to do with the Isles - Zero.

This is a thread about an inept GM - continuing being an inept GM .

If you don't think we're hurting in the talent dept you're nuts .

If you don't think we're struggling you're either not watching or you're in denial or you don't understand the concept of hockey .
We are in the ECF. The series is tied 1-1. You make it sound as if we're about to be swept in the first round.

I'll be the first to admit, we have a lot of talentless guys with doorknobs for hands, but how exactly do you propose we get an elite talent?

Draft? we could, but we are not drafting top 5. There are no Malkins, Tavares's and Stamkoses in the bottom half of the first round.

Trade? Sure. It'll just cost us a few of our young defenseman, who, along with Hank, and Richie, are the reason we got this far.

UFA? We already have 3 big contracts in Gabby, Richie, and Hank. Can't add a fourth one, or else we'll be going through cap hell two summers from now.

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Listen this thead has nothing to do with the Isles - Zero.

This is a thread about an inept GM - continuing being an inept GM .

If you don't think we're hurting in the talent dept you're nuts .

If you don't think we're struggling you're either not watching or you're in denial or you don't understand the concept of hockey .
Sather has done some questionable things in the past(Gomez, Drury, Redden).

But he has had bright spots as well with Richards, Gaborik, Jagr, Mcdonaugh etc.

He helped completely retool our farm system after it was barren from the Smith/Checketts years.

He has helped retool our back office by bringing in guys like Clarke and Gorton. Improved our scouting significantly.

He has done a very good job. Granted it took him a while before we saw results.

As far as organizational depth- we have ton of it. If you didn't notice we are log jammed at D. We have significant prospects we can flip to improve needs elsewhere.

We have guy like JT miller who is coming up shortly as well kids like Thomas, St Crois around the corner.

As far as our struggles this year: yeah we aren't a talented offensive team. We need to fix some holes. But for our first shot at things, I think they have done a solid job.


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