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05-13-2012, 09:21 PM
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he was the top penalty killer. At the very least he can be the 13th forward
That's what I want him to be.

I want him to be on the roster, but I think the Senators have PKers that can easily replace him.

Does everyone want to hear a mind boggling stat?

Mika Zibanejad had 1 less hit than Condra did.

Let that sink in, considering games played.

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Condra is good defensively (positioning). He's not the best skater. He's not physical. He has next to no offensive tools. He's essentially filler.

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Condra is good defensively (positioning). He's not the best skater. He's not physical. He has next to no offensive tools. He's essentially filler.
Good analysis.

I actually think he's an ideal 12/13 forward, but nothing more.

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Silfverberg-Spezza-Michalek
Foligno-Turris-Alfredsson
Greening-Regin-Zibanejad
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Condra

That's what I would love for the forwards.


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05-13-2012, 09:57 PM
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^ No Smith?

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05-13-2012, 10:32 PM
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^ No Smith?


And I made him a breakout player...hold up.

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If (please god I hope not) Alfredsson retires our top 6 is looking pretty damn unproven

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I want:
Michalek-Spezz-Zibby/Penner
Foligno(after rising to the challenge of BMurr)-Turris(Gain some weight you feather)-Alfie
Silfv-Smith-Greening
Condra-JOB-Neil
Konopka

Suter-Karlsson
Cowen-Gonchar
Phillips-Carkner
Boro

Line 1: Good solid line. I dont think Michalek gets 35 goals again and Spezz had a good year so maybe that line needs some help to get back to good. Zibby is a powerforward if he does make it and that has always been what was missing on Spezz's wing. Penner is good too and is making a case for himself right now. I just dont wanna overpay for him.

Line 2: IF Foligno and Turris can both gain some weight and still be fast and not fall down when its a little windy that line is magic. Foligno needs to get better and more consistent though. He was incredible when the season started and was extremely physical (Fight with Phaneuf amazing). But as the year went on he became less and less engaged both physically and as a threat offensively.

Line 3: Silf has a great opportunity to be THE GUY on a line and not have to be THE GUY in the limelight. Smith and Greening do all the work and pass it to him and he releases that amazing shot. Once he gets accustomed to the NA game then stick on a higher line if Foligno/Zibby isnt working out. But for now I think that is a great line for him to learn and be protected.

Line 4: Pretty good line if you ask me. Solid defence has some grit and is pretty fast. I like it as a 4th line.

Defence:
Need need need a top pairing defenceman IMO. Suter is the guy Murray should be going after this offseasion and if not him then Jackman for sure. Watching LA right now is showing me how defence should play. THey get the puck out of their zone fast and tape to tape. I really hated how slow Kuba/Gonchar looked in the playoffs and would love for the sens to get a guy like Wideman even to make the transition fast. I wanna see a Cowen-Karlsson pairing but I think we are another year away from that.

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05-14-2012, 05:20 PM
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Silf-Spezza-Michalek
Foligno-Turris-Alfredsson/Zib
Greening-Smith-Alfie/Zib
Regin-JOB-Neil
Condra/Konopka/Stone/Winchester

Karlsson-Kuba/new UFA
Cowen-Gonchar
Phillips-Boro
Carkner

Andy
Bishop

What I think:
We have a lot of centers. I would love to see a move centered around one of Smith, Regin, Da Costa or Winchester along with Bishop to get a legit defender, who's young and strong. Not sure whether Boro is ready yet but I put him in. Silf is the perfect winger for them IMO; he's got a fantastic shot and he's a workhorse, and he's not afraid to get into the mix in front of the net. Alfie might not be able to hold second line minutes next year, so Zib and him will each play both. I hope Stone sees some time, also I hope we give some other young guns a shot like Petersson, Wiercoch or even Claeson. Still a building year and I hope we don't go away from that because of our success this year.

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05-16-2012, 10:57 PM
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I think it needs a bit of fine tuning, but what do people think of this?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m)
I really want to see this line up tested out, I know a lot of people have already thought of this but I think there is certainly potential for great chemistry.

Nick Foligno ($2.900m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
I really like what these guys can do, I think Turris improving could take this line to a whole other dimension.

Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Peter Regin ($0.800m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.775m)
Young, and incredibly tough to play against. All three are very balanced players, and I think Regin's defensive skills are underrated here.

Jim O'Brien ($0.900m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
JOB plays on his unnatural wing, but I think he adds an element to his game that makes this line effective.

Zenon Konopka ($0.700m) / Erik Condra ($0.625m)
DEFENSEMEN
Filip Kuba ($4.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Kuba gets too much blame for this season. He had a disappointing playoffs, but not to the extent that some of you make it seem. Sign him short term, pay an extra $250 000 to make it a one year.

Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Geno, Claude, meet Zbynek and the new and improved Jared Cowen.

Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Sheltered minutes gives an opportunity for Gonchar and Phillips to play better. I seriously think that these players playing ~16-18 minutes per game will make them effective players.
Matt Carkner ($0.700m) / (NaN)
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Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Ben Bishop ($0.650m)
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SALARY CAP: $67,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,360,833; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $7,939,167

Trade 15th Overall for Z. MICHALEK.
Sign D Filip Kuba to a 1 year contract worth $4 000 000.

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05-17-2012, 08:24 AM
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It really exposes out lack of D if we do not sign a UFA or make a trade and draft one this year if we can. Gonchar and Phillips will be done next year and the year after respectively.

And Kuba will need a replacement if we do not bring him back - and I think Murray may not, preferring to find someone younger for the job like Garrison, Wideman or Allen

Borowiecki will replace a Phillips type.

Wiercioch could be a Gonchar (lite) type, but his development is slower than we hoped, especially after his injury.

Claesson is a wildcard to me and I hope he plays in Binghamton this year and steps up next.

Gryba, Blood, Wideman, Aneloski, Sdao and Fransoo (if we sign him) are not sure bets at best.

We really need to address our D this next year/off-season


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05-17-2012, 09:51 AM
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I've hopped on the Semin bandwagon, guy is still only 28 and has a ridiculous amount of skill and one of the best shots in the game. Realistically we don't have a shot at one of Nash or Parise anyways, and regardless of his questionable character I'd still take a chance hoping MacLean gets through to him so we don't have a Kovalev 2.0 on our hands. I'd be fine with signing him for no more then 3 years tops.

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Alexander Semin ($6.800m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Milan Michalek ($4.333m)

Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)

Nick Foligno ($1.550m) / Peter Regin ($0.800m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)

Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Jim O'Brien ($0.735m)
Zenon Konopka ($0.700m) / Erik Condra ($0.625m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($3.200m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.027m)

Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)

Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Cody Ceci ($1.200m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m) /

GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Ben Bishop ($0.650m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,432,708; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $8,867,292


that's actually a very deep lineup, and it could have possibly one of the best PP units in the league. This way we can also let Zibby and Stone fine tune their games in the A without having to rush them up right away.


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05-17-2012, 11:35 AM
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At forward, if Alfie comes back I don't think we sign anyone other than our own RFA's and perhaps Winchester as well. We want to be 15 players deep, but with Silvferberg, Zibanejad, Stone, Da Costa, Petersson and Hoffman all challenging for spots, I don't think depth is an issue. I think those guys will also upgrade our offensive potency as the year goes on in our top 9. If Alfie retires, I think we considering bringing in a top 9 veteran who is versatile and has some leadership, but doesn't need to be an elite offensive guy.

On D, while a guy like Suter or Carle will be tempting, lacking that type of signing I think we target a more value UFA. The one I have in mind is Sami Lepisto. He is terrific puck mover who has rounded out his game to become a solid two-way defender, but he was hurt last year and stuck deep on the Blackhawks depth chart (no PP time) when he did play, but his offensive talents are really quite good. At 27, his best hockey is in front of him as well and he could become part of our long-term plan. I think he would jump onto our 3rd pairing wiuth a guy like Boro or Carkner as the puck mover, but could take top 4 minutes in the event of an injury to Gonchar or whomever.

In goal, I would would sign an overager or draft a guy like Michael Houser. A guy who is 20, proven what he needs to at the CHL or NCAA level and is ready to apprentice at the AHL level behind Lehner.

This would leave the team with lots of cap room for a rental mid-season to fill in a gap, wherever it may be come playoffs (presuming we are buyers of course).

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05-17-2012, 12:16 PM
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Shanny, Jason Garrison is not signing for 3.2 million.

He's publically gone on record saying he wants Florida first and Vancouver second.

If Ottawa wants him, they need to pay at least 4 million, probably closer to 5 million. Wiesnewski 2.0.

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Shanny, Jason Garrison is not signing for 3.2 million.

He's publically gone on record saying he wants Florida first and Vancouver second.

If Ottawa wants him, they need to pay at least 4 million, probably closer to 5 million. Wiesnewski 2.0.
I probably should have just stated that we need to sign a 3-4 million dollar ufa d-man.

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Michalek ($4,333,333) - Spezza ($7,000,000) - Silfverberg ($900,000)
Penner($2,000,0 00) - Turris ($1,400,000) - Alfie ($4,875,000)
Foligno ($2,500,000) - Regin ($800,000) - Zibanejad ($1,775,000)/Stone ($600,000)
Greening ($816,667) - Smith ($700,000) - Neil ($2,000,000)
Konopka($700,00 0)

Jackman ($3,500,000)- Karlsson ($6,000,000)
Cowen ($1,265,000) - Gonchar (5,500,000)
Phillips ($3,083,333) - Borowiecki ($610,000)
Carkner ($900,000)

Anderson ($3,187,500)
Bishop ($650,000)

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I probably should have just stated that we need to sign a 3-4 million dollar ufa d-man.
yip. garrison will be close to or just above 5mil. i'd be ok with that though.

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No more Condra.
Pretty well all of the Bingo kids hit a wall the last 1/3 of the season and playoffs. That shouldn't have been surprising.

He's earned another year in the league after a successful rookie year.

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watching him on the 2nd line was agony
That means there's a problem with our talent level, not a problem with Condra on the team.

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Does everyone want to hear a mind boggling stat?

Mika Zibanejad had 1 less hit than Condra did.

Let that sink in, considering games played.
Does that really matter if he was effective for most of the year?

Want to hear another? ... 48:23 or +25. The highest takeaway:giveaway ratio on a team starting to implement a puck possession game.

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He has next to no offensive tools.
He has good hockey sense, which is good enough to make him an adequate passer.

Regardless, 25 points from a 3rd liner in his rookie season is a success.

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On D, while a guy like Suter or Carle will be tempting, lacking that type of signing I think we target a more value UFA. The one I have in mind is Sami Lepisto. He is terrific puck mover who has rounded out his game to become a solid two-way defender, but he was hurt last year and stuck deep on the Blackhawks depth chart (no PP time) when he did play, but his offensive talents are really quite good. At 27, his best hockey is in front of him as well and he could become part of our long-term plan. I think he would jump onto our 3rd pairing wiuth a guy like Boro or Carkner as the puck mover, but could take top 4 minutes in the event of an injury to Gonchar or whomever.
This sounds like exactly the type of move we should try to make whether we sign a proven top-4 D-man or not. We need more depth, talent and youth in the D-corps and the there's quite a gap amongst our prospects right now.

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yip. garrison will be close to or just above 5mil. i'd be ok with that though.
Yikes. That seems like a huge risk for a guy with so little track record. If he turns back into a pumpkin, that contract would be an albatross.

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Lol Trent, my stat is actually relative.

And you've misunderstood me.

I'd like to keep Condra, but as a 12/13 forward.

Other than penalty killing, he really wasn't all that successful.

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Lol Trent, my stat is actually relative.

And you've misunderstood me.

I'd like to keep Condra, but as a 12/13 forward.

Other than penalty killing, he really wasn't all that successful.
He played as a 3rd liner at ES and was effective throughout most of his rookie season. That's probably where he'll play much of his career on just about any team in the league.

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I think it needs a bit of fine tuning, but what do people think of this?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m)
I really want to see this line up tested out, I know a lot of people have already thought of this but I think there is certainly potential for great chemistry.

Nick Foligno ($2.900m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
I really like what these guys can do, I think Turris improving could take this line to a whole other dimension.

Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Peter Regin ($0.800m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.775m)
Young, and incredibly tough to play against. All three are very balanced players, and I think Regin's defensive skills are underrated here.

Jim O'Brien ($0.900m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
JOB plays on his unnatural wing, but I think he adds an element to his game that makes this line effective.

Zenon Konopka ($0.700m) / Erik Condra ($0.625m)
DEFENSEMEN
Filip Kuba ($4.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Kuba gets too much blame for this season. He had a disappointing playoffs, but not to the extent that some of you make it seem. Sign him short term, pay an extra $250 000 to make it a one year.

Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Geno, Claude, meet Zbynek and the new and improved Jared Cowen.

Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Sheltered minutes gives an opportunity for Gonchar and Phillips to play better. I seriously think that these players playing ~16-18 minutes per game will make them effective players.
Matt Carkner ($0.700m) / (NaN)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Ben Bishop ($0.650m)
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CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $7,939,167

Trade 15th Overall for Z. MICHALEK.
Sign D Filip Kuba to a 1 year contract worth $4 000 000.
If Foligno asks for a contract near $2.9M he won't be a Senator next year.

Kuba won't be signing a one year deal unless the money is obscene, he will be looking at term given his age.


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He played as a 3rd liner at ES and was effective throughout most of his rookie season. That's probably where he'll play much of his career on just about any team in the league.
Agreed, he is a very intelligent player.

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Michalek ($4,333,333) - Spezza ($7,000,000) - Silfverberg ($900,000)
Penner($2,000,0 00) - Turris ($1,400,000) - Alfie ($4,875,000)
Foligno ($2,500,000) - Regin ($800,000) - Zibanejad ($1,775,000)/Stone ($600,000)
Greening ($816,667) - Smith ($700,000) - Neil ($2,000,000)
Konopka($700,00 0)

Jackman ($3,500,000)- Karlsson ($6,000,000)
Cowen ($1,265,000) - Gonchar (5,500,000)
Phillips ($3,083,333) - Borowiecki ($610,000)
Carkner ($900,000)

Anderson ($3,187,500)
Bishop ($650,000)
So you are suggesting Murray goes out and gets Penner for the top six at $2M per year, then signs Foligno for the 3rd line at over double his current $1.2M????

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If Foligno asks for a contract near $2.9M he won't be a Senator next year.

Kuba won't be signing a one year deal unless the money is obscene, he will be looking at term given his age.
I'm sorry, you're just plain wrong.

Nick Foligno deserves fringe 2nd liner money (statistically he is a 2nd liner), and $2 900 000 is nothing horrible. I'd be very content with that money. If the cap goes up to the high 60s, paying a 2nd liner under 3 million is excellent.

Filip Kuba deserves a contract of mid 3's, and I've been a big supporter of his. If he gets a long term contract at 4+, that team can enjoy him, because he's not worth that. He's got a couple good years left in him.

Also, I'm going to say once again that Foligno at 2.9 is nowhere close to overpayment.

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I'm sorry, you're just plain wrong.

Nick Foligno deserves fringe 2nd liner money (statistically he is a 2nd liner), and $2 900 000 is nothing horrible. I'd be very content with that money. If the cap goes up to the high 60s, paying a 2nd liner under 3 million is excellent.

Filip Kuba deserves a contract of mid 3's, and I've been a big supporter of his. If he gets a long term contract at 4+, that team can enjoy him, because he's not worth that. He's got a couple good years left in him.

Also, I'm going to say once again that Foligno at 2.9 is nowhere close to overpayment.
You may think so, but I am willing to bet Murray disagrees.

Foligno is an RFA that has yet to prove he can stick in the top six of the Senators, a team that lacks top six talent.

Murray may offer him $2M, but I seriously doubt Nick gets over double his current salary based on Murray's year end comments.

BTW, just because you say something, doesn't make it fact.

Regarding Kuba, it doesn't matter whether you are a supporter of his or not, my comment was directed at your proposal of a 1 year deal. After the year he had, he isn't likely to sign a one year deal with any team given his age. Kuba may sign for less than $4M, but it will be for 2 or 3 years.

IMO, it is most probable Kuba has played his last game for the Sens.


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