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05-20-2012, 01:43 PM
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Where would the Red Wings be today had they not drafted Zetterberg and Datsyuk?

Zetterberg: Drafted 7th round (210th overall)

Datsyuk: Drafted 6th round (171st overall)

Call it genius scouting, call it pure luck. The fact of the matter is that the Red Wings drafted 2 elite players in the bottom rounds of the draft. These two players were the perfect transition from the Yzerman era to the post lockout Red Wings and they've both been crucial pieces to the Wings consistent playoff success.

What would the Red Wings Franchise look like today had they never drafted these guys? Obviously their back-to-back Cup appearances most likely would never have happened but would they have still been a dominant post-lockout team? Would they have been a playoff bubble team stuck in some limbo of mediocrity?

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They would've done something. Probably signed some marquee free afents or made some trades. Where would any team be without drafting their centerpieces?

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What if Pittsburgh wasn't so terrible and they never drafted Malkin and Crosby in back to back drafts?

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What if Pittsburgh wasn't so terrible and they never drafted Malkin and Crosby in back to back drafts?
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They would've done something. Probably signed some marquee free afents or made some trades. Where would any team be without drafting their centerpieces?
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It's impossible to know. I guess they would have built around other players and probably been a less threatening team.

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Where would the Habs be if they didn't trade McDonaugh for Gomez

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The same place the Rangers would be if they didn't draft Lundqvist

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maybe the player they drafted would be datysuk and zetterberg like... and the other team would have made datsyuk and zetterberg into nothing.

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This is an interesting question.

Datsyuk and Zetterberg totaled these caphits after the lockout:

2005-06 6.550 million
2006-07 6.550 million
2007-08 9.250 million
2008-09 9.250 million
2009-10 12.081 million
2010-11 12.081 million

During these years Wings were against the cap, but these "missing" contracts would have make space for some other impact players and possible free agents. For example, I think Ray Whitney would not have been bought out because of the lockout if there's no Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the team. Maybe they had signed Daniel Briere at summer of 2007, maybe they would have tried to trade for Joe Thornton etc. Ken Holland was also preparing to build starting from a top goaltender and there was some rumours getting Luongo at 2006. That would have been a total change in playing style, but they decided to continue with puck posession.

What ever would have happen, I still think the Red Wings would have been competitive team in this era. They find a way to build this team year after year. Probably not a Cup Winner at -08 and not going to Finals at -09, but maybe a "conference finalist" once or twice, like the Sharks have been.

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Zetterberg: Drafted 7th round (210th overall)

Datsyuk: Drafted 6th round (171st overall)

Call it genius scouting, call it pure luck. The fact of the matter is that the Red Wings drafted 2 elite players in the bottom rounds of the draft. These two players were the perfect transition from the Yzerman era to the post lockout Red Wings and they've both been crucial pieces to the Wings consistent playoff success.

What would the Red Wings Franchise look like today had they never drafted these guys? Obviously their back-to-back Cup appearances most likely would never have happened but would they have still been a dominant post-lockout team? Would they have been a playoff bubble team stuck in some limbo of mediocrity?
About where the Avs are, in all likelihood. Or maybe where the Devils are.

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Who knows? Without them, they could have maybe gotten better players from the last few drafts and still have been elite, or not even be a playoff team. Can't really answer this kind of question.

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But is it their drafting or their development that made those two so good?

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But is it their drafting or their development that made those two so good?
drafting, its mostly up to the players

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drafting, its mostly up to the players
But if their drafting is so good, wouldn't that mean they knew Zetterberg and Datsyuk would be this good? If they thought they would be this good, wouldn't they have drafted them earlier?

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But if their drafting is so good, wouldn't that mean they knew Zetterberg and Datsyuk would be this good? If they thought they would be this good, wouldn't they have drafted them earlier?
Teams don't draft only on their potential but also on whether they believe/know if other teams intend to take the player or are at least aware of his potential.

For instance, the Red Wings knew of Alex Edler's potential but thought that no one else knew about him (he played in a low-tier Swedish league then), except the Canucks were tipped off about him and took him in the 3rd round since they (correctly so) assumed that the only other team to know about him was Detroit and that they would use a late pick on him.

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They would have been gotten bad after the lockout, pretty obvious. Any team without their two best offensive players would be a lot worse.

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05-20-2012, 09:11 PM
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About where the Avs are, in all likelihood. Or maybe where the Devils are.
But it could also be where the Stars or the Oilers are...

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Teams don't draft only on their potential but also on whether they believe/know if other teams intend to take the player or are at least aware of his potential.

For instance, the Red Wings knew of Alex Edler's potential but thought that no one else knew about him (he played in a low-tier Swedish league then), except the Canucks were tipped off about him and took him in the 3rd round since they (correctly so) assumed that the only other team to know about him was Detroit and that they would use a late pick on him.
Is it worth the risk? Using your example, Detroit should have drafted Edler. Instead they were wrong about them being the only one who knew of Edler and missed out.

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Is it worth the risk? Using your example, Detroit should have drafted Edler. Instead they were wrong about them being the only one who knew of Edler and missed out.
It's a hit or miss thing. If you can wait and get another solid asset at the position and then snag the targeted player later it is. If it ends up like it did for Edler, it's a miss.

I know the Oilers had Martin Gernat rated a lot higher than they took him.

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Is it worth the risk? Using your example, Detroit should have drafted Edler. Instead they were wrong about them being the only one who knew of Edler and missed out.
They drafted Franzen 97th overall (3rd round) , with their highest pick in the 2004 entry draft. Edler was taken 91st. No way they could've gotten him unless they hadn't traded their picks away.

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But is it their drafting or their development that made those two so good?
It's luck. If Detroit knew how good these two were they would have drafted them earlier. Its not development because if you had some random scrub drafted they wouldn't be Datsyuk or Zetterburg.

If Detroit hadn't gotten lucky, they would be just another team. Could be a Devils or could be the Oilers/Stars. We'll never know. Almost certainly would not have made the playoffs 21 years in a row.

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