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05-19-2012, 10:43 AM
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Gorges - Subban
This pairing was fantastic for us last year, they played great against the other teams top lines with a combined +25. Breaking them up makes no sense at this point.

Markov - Emelin
This will be a solid second pairing if two things happen. 1) Markov continues to get healthy and can show us 90% of what he used to be. 2) Emelin's development continues and plays with the edge that the Habs badly need.

Diaz - Weber - Kaberle
Honestly, only one of these defensemen should be kept. If ownership is willing to eat the Kaberle contract in the minors then you go ahead and send him back to Praha. Otherwise, Weber is your odd man out and Diaz might stick around as a #8.

There are 3 UFA d-men that I think the Canadiens should target to fill the void until Tinordi et al are ready.
1) Barrett Jackman - 31 years old - Earned $3.625 with STL last year.
Strengths: Tough as nails, blocks shots, clears the front of the net.
Weaknesses: Foot Speed, Weak first pass.
My Offer: 3 years $15 Million.

2) Milan Jurcina - 28 years old - Earned $1.600 with NYI last year.
Strengths: Size, reach, decent shot blocker & PK player
Weaknesses: Needs to play tougher, mobility, first pass
My Offer: 2 years $3 Million

3) Shaone Morrisson - 29 years old - Earned $2.075 with BUF last year while playing for Rochester.
Strengths: Size, Toughness, Defence first
Weaknesses: Foot Speed, Mobility
My Offer: 1 year $1 Million / $105 K (AHL)

Asuuming they can sign all 3 players
Gorges Subban
Markov Jackman
Emelin Jurcina
Morrison Diaz

All eight on the team with the bottom four rotating in and out depending on play and the opponent.

Weber would be traded & Kaberle would be playing for Slavia Praha in Czech Rep.
Not sure if serious...

And Jurcina and Morisson suck. St-denis is way better then Morisson, just saying
But Jackman is a good player but not at 5M per. I would take Allen way before him if you ask me....

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05-19-2012, 10:54 AM
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Not sure if serious...

And Jurcina and Morisson suck. St-denis is way better then Morisson, just saying
But Jackman is a good player but not at 5M per. I would take Allen way before him if you ask me....
5 million for a UFA d-man who no less than 15 teams will have great interest in isn't that big of an overpayment.

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05-19-2012, 10:56 AM
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Not sure if serious...

And Jurcina and Morisson suck. St-denis is way better then Morisson, just saying
But Jackman is a good player but not at 5M per. I would take Allen way before him if you ask me....
Jackman is probably worth 3.75-4 mil if the Blues re-sign him, as a UFA I think we'd have to pay 4 years 18 mil or 3 years 13.5 mil to get him. My biggest concern with him is durability with his size and the style he plays.


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05-19-2012, 11:05 AM
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5 million for a UFA d-man who no less than 15 teams will have great interest in isn't that big of an overpayment.
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Jackman is probably worth 3.75-4 mil if the Blues re-sign him, as a UFA I think we'd have to pay 4 years 14 mil or 3 years 10.5 mil to get him. My biggest concern with him is durability with his size and the style he plays.
He was very bad for the Blues on the playoff so i would not throw the $$$ at him and i don't want another small player on defence. Get Bryan Allen or Shane O'brien who are as good defensively but alot bigger and meaner.

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05-19-2012, 12:17 PM
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He was very bad for the Blues on the playoff so i would not throw the $$$ at him and i don't want another small player on defence. Get Bryan Allen or Shane O'brien who are as good defensively but alot bigger and meaner.
I think you might be under estimating a saturated UFA market this summer.

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I don't know what the D will look like - something like - with current players on the roster......

Markov - Gorges

Emelin - Subban

Kaberle - Weber

Haha - not much better than last year and if the big if (Markov injured) happens look out. PG couldn't pay Hamrlik but found room for Kaberle. Absolutely need at least one top four bonafide defenseman(s).

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05-21-2012, 01:22 AM
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Is this thread about how to spell Gorges or what? First page cracked me up lool.. If there are no trades,

Markov-Emelin
PK-Gorges
Diaz-Kaberle (Y U STILL HERE?!?!)

I would actually like to see Marc-Edouard Vlasic in a Hab jersey. He said on L'Antichambre he wanted to play for the Habs before his career ended, and with the playoff performance problems in San Jose, if they decide to shake up their lineup (I doubt they trade Vlasic) but a good offer can do the trick.
Would love to have M-E Vlasic in a Habs jersey (also Jason Demers).

Diaz + Weber FOR M-E Vlasic + 2nd Rnd Pick.

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05-21-2012, 01:24 AM
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Would love to have M-E Vlasic in a Habs jersey (also Jason Demers).

Diaz + Weber FOR M-E Vlasic + 2nd Rnd Pick.
I think you put that 2nd rounder on the wrong side of the equation.

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05-21-2012, 01:39 AM
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I think you put that 2nd rounder on the wrong side of the equation.
We're on Hockey's Future!! Lots of wishful thinking!!

Bottom line...I'd love to see M-E Vlasic on our Habs, but...price may be too steep. (but he would surely improve our top 4 right away).

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We're on Hockey's Future!! Lots of wishful thinking!!

Bottom line...I'd love to see M-E Vlasic on our Habs, but...price may be too steep.
I've always liked Vlasic. Would love to see him here.

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05-21-2012, 02:22 AM
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I've always liked Vlasic. Would love to see him here.
Same here and no doubt about it (would love to see M-E here).

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05-21-2012, 09:20 AM
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He also knows Diaz and Emelin are in their prime years and were just getting their feet wet last year. Plus Markov was basically not here and should be from day 1 next year. Strong depth is still needed but I expect a lot of improvement internally.
Don't count on it. That's what PG did. Bergy will not make the same mistake.

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Don't count on it. That's what PG did. Bergy will not make the same mistake.
PG counted on what his medical staff told him about Markov.

Do you think Markov will give us more than 11-12 next year?
Do you see Diaz, Weber and Yemelin making strides next year?


What do you think he will do different, spend big money on 3 UFA's?

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05-21-2012, 01:48 PM
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Actually, they might start with the same D-Corp minus Campoli...

But I don't see them trading for or signing (on the UFA market) more than ONE guy with some size and experience.

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Same here and no doubt about it (would love to see M-E here).
Well I think he is a UFA after next season... let it be until then and then welcome him home

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I've always liked Vlasic. Would love to see him here.
You're not the only one, on top of the fact that he's one of the best pure defensive defensmen in the NHL he's part Croatian. What more can you ask from him?

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You're not the only one, on top of the fact that he's one of the best pure defensive defensmen in the NHL he's part Croatian. What more can you ask from him?
Perhaps to be less Croatian?

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Perhaps to be less Croatian?
If anything he should be a full bloded Croat like Joe Sakic, but I guess he's satisfied with being only half Croatian, what a shame.

On a serious note, I really like him as a player, he's one of my top 3 favourite players in the NHL alongside Price and O'Reilly. It would be pretty sweet to see him come back home to Montreal.

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05-21-2012, 07:03 PM
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You're not the only one, on top of the fact that he's one of the best pure defensive defensmen in the NHL he's part Croatian. What more can you ask from him?
Can't even imagine what they'd want for Vlasic.

Tinordi and Leblanc maybe?

Trading for impact players is risky and guys like Vlasic are so valuable to their teams that to get them to trade those players you have to overpay. Is it worth it? The Habs have a lot of pieces right now that need a little while to see what they have in them, and some veterans for the meantime.

As well as Price, Pacioretty and Subban who hopefully will be Habs for the next decade and at the very least all of them for another 5 years.

The one thing I'm most concerned about with this new regime is the desire to make wholesale changes, I think the team has some good pieces and with some luck with injury and maybe a guy or two having a break out season of sorts and the Habs are right back in the division title race, even if things are a struggle for luck and bounces next year they'll be in the playoff race.

Gallagher, Holland, Kristo, Palushaj, Leblanc at forward (soon)
Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis on defence

Bourque, Pacioretty, Cole, Desharnais, Plekanec, Eller, Gionta at forward (now)
Subban, , Markov, Kaberle, Diaz, Weber, Gorges, Emelin on defence

Price, Price Price
Budaj

Obviously...no Gomez there.

But relaly, when you look at all of that and then cfonsider they have the 3rd, 32nd, 49th (I think), 62nd

as well as their 1st and 2nd next year and Nashville's and Calgary's as well.

And a bunch of guys I didn't list who have some potential but are more of long shots.

I think the options for guys to trade for who are both worth their salaries and have upside are slim and the assets needed to acquire those guys are the ones the Habs want to be holding onto. Play it slowly and see what develops next year with more or less the same roster they had this season. Make a couple mid-minor trades for sure, but with next years stacked UFA class (which will have some very good names on it even if the best pieces re-sign) and the points that a lot of the guys on Montreal are at right now and it might take a bit of time to see what they have...

I'm personally hoping for a lot of fans to be disappointed with the lack of moves the Habs make this offseason. January 2013-October 2013 will be the time to make more moves IMO

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05-21-2012, 07:19 PM
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Well I think he is a UFA after next season... let it be until then and then welcome him home
Thanks for checking his upcoming UFA status...was too lazy to check/verify.

Well...we'll see if he really wants to come to Mtl if he can give some kind of discount to our Habs to wear the CH jersey. No point in trading any of our Draft Picks (and soft offensive dmen!) for him when we have a chance to get him as a UFA.

Near Future:
Vlasic - Subban
Gorges - Dumba
Beaulieu - Ellis/Tinordi
Ellis/Tinordi
Emelin

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Thanks for checking his upcoming UFA status...was too lazy to check/verify.

Well...we'll see if he really wants to come to Mtl if he can give some kind of discount to our Habs to wear the CH jersey. No point in trading any of our Draft Picks (and soft offensive dmen!) for him when we have a chance to get him as a UFA.

Near Future:
Vlasic - Subban
Gorges - Dumba
Beaulieu - Ellis/Tinordi
Ellis/Tinordi
Emelin
Damn, would love to see them sign Vlasic next offseason!

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If only Tinordi was NHL ready. He'd be perfect with Kaberle.

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Don't know why people keep saying that we're "stuck" with Kaberle. I'm sure I've seen some people stating how "great" he was with us and that we were whining for nothing. Great players do get traded right?
he might not be great, but will not be hard to trade if need be IMO.

i hope we sign sutter

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Such a dumb post by Whitesnake. No one has said he's great. He is what he is, a flawed d-man who is a good puck mover. He's not signed for that long, or for that much.

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Markov - Emelin (not a fan, but we have no choice in the short-term)
Gorges - Subban
Ryan Murray - Diaz (tougher UFA vet instead?)
Weber (not a fan, but can help on the PP)

Markov, even if healthy, only has a few years at top notch to go. We need Murray badly if the Neidermayer and Bourque comparisons are real.

Kaberle and the rest have to go pronto. That's Zach Parise's money!

If we trade this pick for a vet or take yet another soft Euro, it will be my turn to cry. Like Timmins, I cry a little every time I see 6-1, 222 lbs McDonagh fly around the rink and dominate defensively. We better not make the same mistake. No way do I buy into the idea of a powerforward Russian leading us to the promised land, nor a slick Russian center with size who shies away from playoff traffic. Forsberg is too small for the game he pretends to play, as is Dumba.

MURRAY is the man. I would take him over Yakupov. Another fake aggression Russian who will never win a thing. I'd be a bit surprised if the Oilers don't grab Murray tho. If they don't, then Forsberg is the only guy who Columbus might consider other than him. Oilers might feel they have no choice but to take the "BPA" in Yakupov, Columbus needs scoring, so Forsberg... no way they chance a crucial pick on another RUssian. Then we'll do something stupid and grab Grigorenko and the Bergevin era will begin in a Houle-like fashion. (please, no)


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