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05-22-2012, 10:50 AM
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He must've been highly depressed last summer, not really looking forward to the next season an'all

Jersey finished with 3 more points (81) last year than the Habs this year (78).

Pretty sure Parisé won't be doubtful of a quick turnaround, especially considering almost the same entire team got 96 points the season before (-18 this year). Just like Jersey went from 103 two years ago to 81 last year (-22).

Before you say "but Habs finished 15th and Jersey finished 11th last year) consider that the Habs have several records for a 15th conference place team, record for most points by a 15th conference position, highest +/-, highest win%, less points out of playoff contention (14 points). Some of those records were previously held by the Leafs two years ago at 74 points.

Bergevin can still convince him that's it's his goal and how close they would be to that goal. Just like Holmgrem convinced Brière and Timonen after Philly finished with a measly 56 points in 06-07, which is more akin to how you see the Habs right now, than the actual reality.

A 'winner' nowadays is not something that can be easily pegged (unless you're looking for the flavor of the week). If Bergevin is a good salesman, Parisé'll see a winner in the Habs.
is that for real because that's pretty surprising/amazing/deathblowtotankers if it is

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05-22-2012, 11:12 AM
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I'd rather work through the draft and go with young players than handcuff the team with such a large contract. He's a real good player, but he wouldn't make this team a contender on his own, there are a lot more issues.
Good point. What I think the Habs should do is simply stay the course and be patient. Their is no need to spend money on another high end contract. We already have three in Markov, Gomez and Kaberle that are taking up a lot of cap space. This offseason the Habs should use the 8-9 million on a player like Parise for a dman and some more depth up front.

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05-22-2012, 11:51 AM
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Or Parise could go to a team like the Wings/Rangers with less question marks...Habs would be better off targeting Semin since it'll be a bit more realistic.
I don't see how it matters much how "realistic" it is. If he makes it to market, you still fax the contract offer to his agent. He's probably not a player you have to put a lot of scouting research into. Everybody knows he's elite. You just figure out what you think is the biggest eye-catchingest amount you are prepared to spend on him, and fax it off. It doesn't stop you in any way whatsoever from also putting together a list of "more realistic" guys to go after and getting offers ready for them too.

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Depends completely on what he wants and what kind of offers he'll receive. Does he want to play for a big market team or a small market team? If he prefers to play for a big market team then we could have a shot since we have got Bergevin (we don't know if he's good at luring free agents) and a nice core of Pacioretty, Price, Subban and Eller. And of course, if he thinks winning it all with the CH is a bit more special.

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05-22-2012, 12:15 PM
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It would likely require the Devils to relocate. He's not leaving NJ.

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if he does make it to July 1st, I think we have about as good a shot as any team.

the allure of playing for a franchise like montreal (and being it's new star player) would likely be tempting for a guy with strong french canadian hockey bloodlines.

I'm sure if Bergevin decides he's the top-6 dynamic player we need, we'll be able to offer him as much as anyone else salary-wise, then it's just a matter of convincing him we have the tools & plan to build a winner.

i bet if he does move as a UFA, we'll end up being one of the 2-3 "finalist" in his decision.

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05-22-2012, 01:28 PM
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Or Parise could go to a team like the Wings/Rangers with less question marks...Habs would be better off targeting Semin since it'll be a bit more realistic.
Realistic but terrible. Semin sucks.

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Realistic but terrible. Semin sucks.
I'd rather have Semin on a $3M/1yr deal than have nothing. So yeah, the $3M/1yr offer to Semin would be in my bag of offers for July 1st too. Sent only after several others get rejected. Just as it can't hurt to make your best possible hugest possible bid on the prime target Parise, even whilst doubting he takes it, it also can't hurt to make some kind of token quasi-insulting offer on a supremely talented player like Semin just as a longshot contingency in the other direction, even whilst doubting he takes it also. I'm not afraid to quasi-insult Semin, no real potential for haunting repercussions there. At the same time, if I (and he) got desperate enough, I'd want his peeps to know we might be interested.

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05-22-2012, 02:01 PM
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2012-13: $14 Million dollar payable in a Signing Bonus prior to Sep 15 (20% of cap)
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2015-16: $10 Million
2016-17: $8 Million
2017-18: $8 Million
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looking into my crystal ball...he signs with a team that wears red

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I don't like Parise because he gives me a Gomez fibe. No ex devils for me anymore thanks.

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He was interviewed and asked his favorite rink to play in...he said The Bell Centre...just saying guys...

My money is on him staying in New Jersey, but they are having some serious financial issues...so..........ya never know.

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05-22-2012, 05:29 PM
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He was interviewed and asked his favorite rink to play in...he said The Bell Centre...just saying guys...

My money is on him staying in New Jersey, but they are having some serious financial issues...so..........ya never know.
If you interviewed every player on every team. 60% of the players on each team would say bell center. And that's not an exaggeration. Bell center is the most exciting place to play. That is unless your playing for the habs and your not playing well. Then it's the worst place.

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Parise's dad is a Québec born hockey player who ended up playing roller hockey after a stint in the NHL. I doubt that he wants to sign with Montréal, but we have one advantage other teams don't : if he wants to renew with his roots, he'd have the opportunity to do so, in the Jerusalem of hockey.

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Parise's dad is a Québec born hockey player who ended up playing roller hockey after a stint in the NHL. I doubt that he wants to sign with Montréal, but we have one advantage other teams don't : if he wants to renew with his roots, he'd have the opportunity to do so, in the Jerusalem of hockey.
I say the one advantage we have is we have money. And that's it. But until we deal with Gomez, Price, and Subban, we don't even have that.

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I say the one advantage we have is we have money. And that's it. But until we deal with Gomez, Price, and Subban, we don't even have that.
Money is an advantage some other teams also have !

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I'd rather have Semin on a $3M/1yr deal than have nothing. So yeah, the $3M/1yr offer to Semin would be in my bag of offers for July 1st too. Sent only after several others get rejected. Just as it can't hurt to make your best possible hugest possible bid on the prime target Parise, even whilst doubting he takes it, it also can't hurt to make some kind of token quasi-insulting offer on a supremely talented player like Semin just as a longshot contingency in the other direction, even whilst doubting he takes it also. I'm not afraid to quasi-insult Semin, no real potential for haunting repercussions there. At the same time, if I (and he) got desperate enough, I'd want his peeps to know we might be interested.
Semin will be worth much more than $3m

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Money is an advantage some other teams also have !
Which is exactly why we have no advantage. There's twenty other teams that was Parise too.

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Which is exactly why we have no advantage. There's twenty other teams that was Parise too.
I just gave you an advantage other teams don't have...

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I just gave you an advantage other teams don't have...
You said money is an advantage other teams also have..

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You said money is an advantage other teams also have..
Read his other post.

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Read his other post.
Ahhh. Well that's not a huge advantage if you ask me.

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We have money AND cap room. Those two things eliminate about 2/3 to 3/4 of the teams in the NHL right there. His dad is from Quebec, that gives us an edge, as small as it may be.

Some teams ahve tons of money but little cap room like Phillie and NYR. NJ will have cap room but not nearly enough money. The 10 smaller markets won't pay him 8-10 mil per year(front load) over 6-7 years.

I think Detroit will be a big player for both him and Suter. They have enough cap room for one of them not sure if they can sign both. Toronto will surely make a run at both but they are not the most desirable location.

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Probability of Parise - 0 percent.

Lou Lam will not let this guy go, cap problems or otherwise, because quite frankly he's not replaceable. you don't let a player of this calibre walk.

On the flipside, if Lou can't get a deal done Parise will get leaguewide interest, and he surely won't be going to the 3rd worst team in the NHL. Even if some fans in Montreal don't think the team deserves that position.

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