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05-22-2012, 01:33 PM
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Right... when they were too young to play in college.
Quit making uneducated posts. Players have been coming out of Junior A for years.

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Right... when they were too young to play in college.
If there is one thing that I wont ever bash homer for, it's his eye for talent.

Read, Gustaffson, Z, Manning, Bourdon, Giroux, Richards, Carter, Marshall, Sbisa, Coburn. Even players like akeson look good at the pro level.

( he was head scout under clarke for G, Cannon and Carter).

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I agree with Norm. Why would the Flyers waste their time with a guy in the SJHL? Reminds me of the time they got a goalie who posted a 6.57 GAA with Melville of the SJ. One game - against the PA Raiders - he gave up 22 goals! 22! The following year he got to play down the road in Brandon of the WHL for 30-some games and put up a still awful 5.71 GAA in the regular season and an embarrassing 9.71 in the only two playoff games they ever let him start. He was unrated by almost every NHL team and for some stupid reason the Flyers drafted him. Ron Hextall turned into nothing!

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05-22-2012, 02:07 PM
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Quit making uneducated posts. Players have been coming out of Junior A for years.
Who's come out of there as an overager? I can't think of anyone, so enlighten me

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05-22-2012, 02:11 PM
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Who's come out of there as an overager? I can't think of anyone, so enlighten me
Honestly, how hard is it to have a little faith in the Flyers Scouts. Yes, they miss, but they also hit on undrafted players as much or more than just about every other NHL team, so unless you've seen the guy play extensively, I think it's reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt in this circumstance.

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05-22-2012, 02:20 PM
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and for some stupid reason the Flyers drafted him. Ron Hextall turned into nothing!
You, sir, just won this thread.

In another note, a lot of the hatred in this thread is as dramatic and early as that embarrassingly epic "why the hell did the flyers waste a contract on that talentless hack, Matt Read" thread that was on the prospect forum.

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05-22-2012, 02:23 PM
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I agree with Norm. Why would the Flyers waste their time with a guy in the SJHL? Reminds me of the time they got a goalie who posted a 6.57 GAA with Melville of the SJ. One game - against the PA Raiders - he gave up 22 goals! 22! The following year he got to play down the road in Brandon of the WHL for 30-some games and put up a still awful 5.71 GAA in the regular season and an embarrassing 9.71 in the only two playoff games they ever let him start. He was unrated by almost every NHL team and for some stupid reason the Flyers drafted him. Ron Hextall turned into nothing!
Well played, good Sir Duke.

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Honestly, how hard is it to have a little faith in the Flyers Scouts. Yes, they miss, but they also hit on undrafted players as much or more than just about every other NHL team, so unless you've seen the guy play extensively, I think it's reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt in this circumstance.
I hope you're right

Although Flyers had a couple hits, they also have a history of filling up contracts with mediocre players who have no shot, only to be bit in the ass later on. They should use a little discretion.
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You, sir, just won this thread.

In another note, a lot of the hatred in this thread is as dramatic and early as that embarrassingly epic "why the hell did the flyers waste a contract on that talentless hack, Matt Read" thread that was on the prospect forum.
Matt Read was a successful college player and Hextall was a late round pick from the WHL. Neither relates at all.


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05-22-2012, 02:35 PM
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Matt Read was a successful college player and Hextall was a late round pick from the WHL. Neither relates at all.
I wasn't comparing Hextall and Read. I was comparing how many people are up in arms now over a low-risk/high-reward Holmgren signing just like the poor fool who started that Matt Read thread.

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05-22-2012, 03:17 PM
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Thanks for the 1st hand opinion jlockhart89. Nice to get an opinion from someone that has actually seen Johnston play.

I see it as a signing to replace 1 of the picks we didn't have. We could get lucky & have another Read on our hands of he could be a dud. But that's the chance you take on any undrafted player signing & (to a lesser degree) draft pick.

SJHL is a good league. It's not the top junior league in Canada (CHL has that distinction) but it's probably equivalent to many of the junior Euro leagues in talent.

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05-22-2012, 03:33 PM
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I'm in the "giving Homer the benefit of the doubt" group. Too many smart signings and draft picks to think otherwise. The Reads and Bobs far outweigh the Pithers and Rowes. With signings like this they don't have to all be home runs to be a success.

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Couple seasons ago

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05-22-2012, 04:12 PM
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I wasn't comparing Hextall and Read. I was comparing how many people are up in arms now over a low-risk/high-reward Holmgren signing just like the poor fool who started that Matt Read thread.
Signing Johnston, who was heading to college as an "old" 20 yr old, is like signing Read out of Jr, before he went, late also, to Bemidji.

Some guys just fall off the radar, it's the scouts jobs to dig deeper and look for talent other teams might have overlooked.

One advantage rich teams have, in a cap world, is that there is no cap on scouting expenditures.

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05-22-2012, 05:14 PM
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And from what I've read his game his improved leaps and bounds from when he started in Flin Flon to how he finished this year with the Bronco. A very steady incline.

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Posted this in the prospects sugning forum as well:

Just my 2 cents, had the priveledge of watching Johnston all year for the Broncos. I wondered several times during the season if he'd get signed to an NHL deal after coming out of college in a few years time, so it's not entirely surprising to me that he got inked to a deal already. He is a silky smooth forward with great offensive instincts and great finish.

He was hands down IMO the top forward in the entire RBC Cup tournament (looking better even then more notable players like Mario Lucia and Wade Murphy from Penticton).

One game in particular he cycled the puck around the Soo Thunderbirds zone for a solid 5 and a half minutes with team mates. They wound up scoring twice during that large period of dominance, but had it not been for tournament MVP John Kleinhans in net Johnston probably could've had 3 or 4 goals in a 6 minute stretch alone.

He finished the tournament with a scoring line of 5 goals and 4 assists in 5 games inlcuding 3 game winners. The guy is clutch and knows how to score. Not sure how his game translates to the pro leagues but he is definitely the best all-around forward I've seen lace up for the Broncos in my time.
Thanks for your post.

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They do better signing these players than the ones they draft, so whatever. Let's actually see him against better competition before we write him off.

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05-22-2012, 11:16 PM
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watched bronc, aj lots this past season.

do not right this guy off. saw teams like north battleford,weyburn, notre dame, portage, woodstock-nb, i will describe him as: some of these games were blow outs. but the ones that were close and could have gone either way, man we need a goal. aj to the rescue. you guys are silly, if you do not think their are a fair number of scouts at these games. i swear i saw ted nolan at the weyburn series, and at the rbc cup. and if it wasnt ted nolan, must have been his twin. you guys dont think the great white north is a great place to scout. madness. turn the corner, you may find a diamond in the rough.

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I agree with Norm. Why would the Flyers waste their time with a guy in the SJHL? Reminds me of the time they got a goalie who posted a 6.57 GAA with Melville of the SJ. One game - against the PA Raiders - he gave up 22 goals! 22! The following year he got to play down the road in Brandon of the WHL for 30-some games and put up a still awful 5.71 GAA in the regular season and an embarrassing 9.71 in the only two playoff games they ever let him start. He was unrated by almost every NHL team and for some stupid reason the Flyers drafted him. Ron Hextall turned into nothing!
I see what you did there.

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at the very worst he can hopefully help out the Phantoms score some goals. really dont know much about this kid.

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do not right this guy off. saw teams like north battleford,weyburn, notre dame, portage, woodstock-nb, i will describe him as: some of these games were blow outs. but the ones that were close and could have gone either way, man we need a goal. aj to the rescue. you guys are silly, if you do not think their are a fair number of scouts at these games. i swear i saw ted nolan at the weyburn series, and at the rbc cup. and if it wasnt ted nolan, must have been his twin. you guys dont think the great white north is a great place to scout. madness. turn the corner, you may find a diamond in the rough.
Well, Ted Nolan was coaching Latvia during the RBC Cup, so it wasn't him.

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Well, Ted Nolan was coaching Latvia during the RBC Cup, so it wasn't him.
I was at the enitre RBC and while I don't doubt there were scouts in the stands there was definitely no Ted Nolan. Craig Button was there however... as little as that means

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You, sir, just won this thread.

In another note, a lot of the hatred in this thread is as dramatic and early as that embarrassingly epic "why the hell did the flyers waste a contract on that talentless hack, Matt Read" thread that was on the prospect forum.
Too bad goaltending doesnt matter, right?

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They do better signing these players than the ones they draft, so whatever. Let's actually see him against better competition before we write him off.
Maybe instead of drafting goons who have an upside of being...a goon in the NHL they could use draft picks on players who might have even a 1% chance of being a top-6 d-man or a top 3-line forward.

I have no problem with the signing. It's a shot in the dark, but so is everything. I like it more then using draft picks on goons and then signing those goons and letting longshot prospects go unsigned after being drafted.

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Interesting article on Johnston. Fingers crossed he pans out.....

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/sports...497/story.html

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Forgot to post this, but they gave him a decent amount of money, per CapGeek (be aware that that isn't the actual cap hit, it's missing the performance bonuses).
They gave him max AHL salary on an ELC and max signing bonus.

Here's another article on the signing.

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