HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > International Tournaments
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
International Tournaments Discuss international tournaments such as the World Juniors, Olympic hockey, and Ice Hockey World Championships, as they take place; or discuss past tournaments.

make the ice rinks smaller in europe

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-21-2012, 08:09 PM
  #51
Oyabun
Registered User
 
Oyabun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Country: Sweden
Posts: 773
vCash: 500
NO!


One of the aspects that makes football great is also what helps to make hockey great, the individual performances. Let the skilled players work their magic on the bigger ice. The NHL would be much more entertaining without the moshpit style hockey.

Oyabun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-21-2012, 08:40 PM
  #52
Jussi
No strings on me
 
Jussi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: The lunatic fridge
Country: Finland
Posts: 49,518
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by QnebO View Post
Sadly Hartwall has the big ice, but for non finns, i recommend to watch the czech hockey games, Im pretty sure they have 27-28m rink in that eht tournament, it allways looks that fast there.
I think it's the camera angle...

Jussi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-21-2012, 09:32 PM
  #53
tombombadil
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: West Kelowna, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,030
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Hawk View Post
There are rinks in Europe, especially the new ones in Finland that are a hybrid size between the NHL and the International standard. NHL 85 feet, International 98 feet.

Finland has rinks that are 92-94 feet wide. 92 feet is basically taking the difference between the NHL and International size.

Sounds like the perfect solution IMO. NHL is too small for the size of the players. Give the skilled guys a bit more room to use their speed on the outside. Intl. too big, not enough physical play.
nice to know that stuff. I agree 100% that a halfway point would be perfect. NHL rinks are like pinball, and I like the puck control game on the bigger ice, but the international ice might be a tad big, and negatively affect excitement.

tombombadil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-21-2012, 09:35 PM
  #54
Zine
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 9,364
vCash: 500
Hell no.

Players are getting too big for small ice. Like someone said, the NHL resembles a hockey mosh pit......there's very little room to skate and make skilled plays anymore.

Zine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-21-2012, 09:38 PM
  #55
JoeLH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 694
vCash: 500
No! I want to see great players thrive like the Russians at the WC did instead of seeing boring defensive hockey like in a lot of games of this years NHL playoffs.

JoeLH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-21-2012, 09:50 PM
  #56
EichHart
HFBoards Sponsor
 
EichHart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Hamburg, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 8,047
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by fruktbomb View Post
I enjoy international hockey the way it's right now. Every time I watch an NHL game, I notice how the game seems to be all about battling along the boards, cycle game along the boards, entering the offensive zone with dump-ins and blocking shots...
I agree. Rinks need to get bigger in the USA, its becoming boring to watch. 90% of the game is along the boards...So pathetic. I miss 80s hockey.

EichHart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-21-2012, 10:08 PM
  #57
Salo13*
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3
vCash: 500
Yes, rinks need to be made smaller, not just in Europe, but also in the NHL. I think they should be made real small, perhaps in the shape of octagon. Also, the game should be played 1 on 1 instead of 6 on 6. Also, remove sticks and the puck, as those get in the way of the true display of hockey skill.

Salo13* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-21-2012, 10:14 PM
  #58
Halpysback*
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,927
vCash: 500
I have a better idea, cut all rink sizes by 75%. Imagine all the grit we'll get to see with 12 guys packed into a 100x42 foot space! You literally won't be able to skate a foot without running into 3 players! Each goal will be the result of a ten person pileup with the puck pitchforked through. Imagine all the fun concussions we could watch!

EDIT: beaten to it ^^

Halpysback* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-21-2012, 10:21 PM
  #59
Slot 3
exitus acta probat
 
Slot 3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,556
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salo13 View Post
Yes, rinks need to be made smaller, not just in Europe, but also in the NHL. I think they should be made real small, perhaps in the shape of octagon. Also, the game should be played 1 on 1 instead of 6 on 6. Also, remove sticks and the puck, as those get in the way of the true display of hockey skill.
This is amazing, ahaha.

Slot 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-22-2012, 02:53 AM
  #60
albator71
Registered User
 
albator71's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Northern Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,496
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeLH View Post
No! I want to see great players thrive like the Russians at the WC did instead of seeing boring defensive hockey like in a lot of games of this years NHL playoffs.
I agree with you, you just have to watch the NHL playoffs to realize that the ice surface is to small there's no room for players to be creative.

albator71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-22-2012, 06:42 AM
  #61
NewHopeForEveryone
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Country: Lesotho
Posts: 479
vCash: 500
ou yeah...rinks all over europe reunite and lets recontruct...USA and Canada needs you!!! they suck on big ice so we need to help them adapt...because of 2 nations, other 20 will resize their rinks...nice idea really...

NewHopeForEveryone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-22-2012, 06:53 AM
  #62
icing
Registered User
 
icing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Sweden
Country: Sweden
Posts: 852
vCash: 500
I could see a hybrid size rink (NHL/IIHF) work to bring skill och physical play more in the mix, so to say. IIHF standard tends to be too big and for me the SEL for example could benefit from some smaller ice surfaces to get the game "speedier" and a little more physical.

To see the russians in this WHC is pure hockey porn (except from Yemelinova), and to watch a guy like Zetterberg getting a little more space and totally control the game with his vision, hockey sense and balance brings me close to an orgasm. Beats the typical "north south", dump and chase hockey every day all year around (even though the small rinks in the NHL also gives you nice technical and skilled performances - but not in the same way).

icing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-22-2012, 07:09 AM
  #63
jekoh
Registered User
 
jekoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 4,238
vCash: 500
I have no idea how making it easier for Europeans to adjust to the NHL game could be regarded as a good move.

There are already way too many Europeans leaving their country, and that is a problem as it hinders hockey's popularity in said countries.

If some players' style of play make them unsuccessful in NA and thus more likely to remain in Europe, all the better.

jekoh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-22-2012, 09:14 AM
  #64
cska78
Registered User
 
cska78's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: USA
Country: Russian Federation
Posts: 11,300
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to cska78 Send a message via Yahoo to cska78
make them bigger in NA, I say.

cska78 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-22-2012, 02:18 PM
  #65
wings5
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,827
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by cska78 View Post
make them bigger in NA, I say.
I agree, WC has been more interesting to watch the NHL playoffs in my opinion I could actually watch the whole game. Minus a few good NHL games of course which were entertaining.

wings5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-22-2012, 02:26 PM
  #66
begbeee
Registered User
 
begbeee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Slovakia
Country: Slovakia
Posts: 4,123
vCash: 500
Actually, you need them make at least a little bit bigger in NA. Concussions and all that stuff.. You dont see so many concussions in Europe. I bet, here are significantly less concussions.

begbeee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-22-2012, 02:30 PM
  #67
kajoo
Registered User
 
kajoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Slovakia
Country: Slovakia
Posts: 816
vCash: 500
This is what I was able to find on wiki:
Quote:
Most North American rinks follow the National Hockey League (NHL) specifications of 61 metres (200 ft) × 26 metres (85 ft) with a corner radius of 8.5 metres (28 ft).[3] The NHL attacking zones are expanded, with blue lines 20 metres (66 ft) from the goal line and 15.3 metres (50 ft) apart.[4]

Origins

The rink specifications originate from the ice surface of the Victoria Skating Rink in Montreal, constructed in 1862, where the first indoor game was played in 1875. Its ice surface measured 62.3 metres (204 ft) × 24.3 metres (80 ft). The curved corners are considered to originate from the design of the Montreal Arena, also in Montreal, constructed in 1898
NA rinks size is about same for 150 years.

Average height of an NHLer is just over 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m) tall. Average height of man is in Canada: 174 cm (5' 8.5"), U.S. 178.2 cm (5' 10.2"), Sweden 180 cm (5' 10.9"). Hockey players are biggers and stronger than average man nowadays, but were people same 100-150 years ago ?

Acc. Richard Steckel´s study
Quote:
"Height is an indicator of overall health and economic well-being
and...

Quote:
Steckel analyzed height data from thousands of skeletons excavated from burial sites in northern Europe and dating from the ninth to the 19th centuries. Average height declined slightly during the 12th through 16th centuries, and hit an all-time low during the 17th and 18th centuries.

Northern European men had lost an average 2.5 inches of height by the 1700s, a loss that was not fully recovered until the first half of the 20th century.

According to Steckel's analysis, heights decreased from an average of 68.27 inches (173.4 centimeters) in the early Middle Ages to an average low of roughly 65.75 inches (167 cm) during the 17th and 18th centuries.


To sum it up: NHL-sized rinks were made for smaller people. Taller, bigger players have a longer reach, are more able to give out and sustain body checks, and have greater leverage on their shooting such as a slap shot. I´m for hybrid size, making the rinks bigger in NA and smaller in Europe.


Last edited by kajoo: 05-22-2012 at 02:48 PM.
kajoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-23-2012, 02:06 AM
  #68
RandV
It's a wolf v2.0
 
RandV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 16,365
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by icing View Post
To see the russians in this WHC is pure hockey porn (except from Yemelinova), and to watch a guy like Zetterberg getting a little more space and totally control the game with his vision, hockey sense and balance brings me close to an orgasm. Beats the typical "north south", dump and chase hockey every day all year around (even though the small rinks in the NHL also gives you nice technical and skilled performances - but not in the same way).
A few people have been saying this but I'm not so sure... give NHL coaches 5 years to analyze and break down the game on the big international ice surface and who knows what we'd end up with.

As for the discussion I'm a fan of having a good variety of rink sizes, so if anything like another guy said earlier just have the IIHF adopt a broader definition of rink size. I know someone brought up the point that 70% of the rinks are North American sized, which is obvious since there's more rinks over here than in Europe, but the point still stands that there's no such thing as a true 'international standard' when such a large part of the international community uses something completely different.

RandV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-23-2012, 01:52 PM
  #69
RandV
It's a wolf v2.0
 
RandV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 16,365
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by kajoo View Post
This is what I was able to find on wiki:


NA rinks size is about same for 150 years.

Average height of an NHLer is just over 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m) tall. Average height of man is in Canada: 174 cm (5' 8.5"), U.S. 178.2 cm (5' 10.2"), Sweden 180 cm (5' 10.9"). Hockey players are biggers and stronger than average man nowadays, but were people same 100-150 years ago ?

Acc. Richard Steckel´s study


and...





To sum it up: NHL-sized rinks were made for smaller people. Taller, bigger players have a longer reach, are more able to give out and sustain body checks, and have greater leverage on their shooting such as a slap shot. I´m for hybrid size, making the rinks bigger in NA and smaller in Europe.
The problem is you're focusing on the elite professional level of hockey. It may make sense to expand the NHL rinks a little, but for the thousands of other leagues, from casual beer hockey to to all the various child/youth hockey, and even the higher level juniors/college level hockey, the NA America size rink is more than big enough. It would be a logistical nightmare to start converting the rinks we have to the international size.

RandV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-23-2012, 02:01 PM
  #70
Mr Kanadensisk
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,882
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandV View Post
A few people have been saying this but I'm not so sure... give NHL coaches 5 years to analyze and break down the game on the big international ice surface and who knows what we'd end up with.
Agreed, what you are seeing at the WC is hockey that hasn't been coached and analyzed to death, defensive systems implemented, etc.

Mr Kanadensisk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-23-2012, 02:18 PM
  #71
PepsiFiend
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 773
vCash: 500
If you make the NHL rinks bigger, the players are just that much further from the net... teams still are gonna collapse down low... it is not gonna change much other then the fact there will most likely be less hitting. Just because the rinks are bigger, doesn't necessarily translate to a faster more wide open game.

PepsiFiend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-23-2012, 05:50 PM
  #72
Konnan511
#FreePulu
 
Konnan511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Traverse City
Country: United States
Posts: 5,623
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Konnan511
There are more ice rinks in Europe than NA. Why should they change their ice?

Konnan511 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-23-2012, 06:12 PM
  #73
Mr Kanadensisk
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,882
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Konnan511 View Post
There are more ice rinks in Europe than NA. Why should they change their ice?
According to the IIHF's own survey approximately 70% of the world's ice rinks are in NA.

Mr Kanadensisk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-23-2012, 06:41 PM
  #74
NewHopeForEveryone
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Country: Lesotho
Posts: 479
vCash: 500
another troll-attempt topic...i dont see anywhere only ONE person from europe who is complaining about NA size and neither ONE person who want to change it because their team suck in small rinks...

btw. rinks all over europe hasnt changed from 2000 so this your 5 years of analyzing already passed and you still dont have any clue what to play in big rinks

NewHopeForEveryone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-23-2012, 07:04 PM
  #75
Jussi
No strings on me
 
Jussi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: The lunatic fridge
Country: Finland
Posts: 49,518
vCash: 500
In case it hasn't been mentioned yet, the assumption that reducing rink sizes in Europe would allow for more seats is false. A lot of the rinks/arenas are old or renovated or in general built for the hockey purposes, majority being 3000-6000 and not meant for multipurpose use (big concerts etc.), meaning the stands are set. Reducing the rink size would just add a couple of meters of empty space between the seats and the boards, thus reducing visibility and the worth of the seats.

Jussi is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:11 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2015 All Rights Reserved.