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While the Coyotes are under NO pressure to move a defenseman this off-season and they certainly won't move Yandle or OEL (and likely Gormley), if the right deal comes along, it might be worth their while to move a "B" LHD for a forward.
This video is the post-trade deadline press conference and 2:30 to 3:00 Maloney talks about Doan, Whitney and Aucoin and it is clear that there are deals lined up to keep these three for next year's squad.
"Certainly we feel very strongly that if our ownership gets settled, they'll all sign back with us. This is not an issue where uh, we...we just know that we can get those players back before free agency in July, so..."
The Yotes spent something in the vicinity of $51M on player salaries from a league imposed budget, which was bottom 5 in the league. If the above is true, they will have something like $6.5M to replace Langkow and Pyatt if they simply keep the budget the same as this year. It's probably easiest to replace those players and their production via free agency. But Maloney has shown a willingness to make deals when there's a fit.
Anyone offer anything of value for these guys? The only need is at forward and we aren't interested in discussing Yandle, OEL or Gormley in this thread (there's a million other threads to discuss that). Keep in mind that Tippett's is a D-first system and that any players will have to be a good team guy to be considered for this squad.
I'd prefer to go after a different Yotes' defenseman in Rozsival. He's a UFA so he won't cost any assets; He's a RH shot which we have none of outside of Hamonic - even all our top D-prospects in Bridgeport are LH; He probably won't command more than $4M, which shouldn't a problem considering both Eaton and Jurcina are coming off the books(5M or so).
IMO he'd be a great fit playing alongside Streit. Just a solid, underrated d-man. I'd be pretty comfortable going into next year with a top-4 of Streit-Rozsival and Murray-Hamonic. Stick one of de Haan or Donovan(whoever earns the spot in TC) on the bottom-pairing with MacDonald and we should be able to roll all 3 of those pairings rather equally.
I'd prefer to go after a different Yotes' defenseman in Rozsival. He's a UFA so he won't cost any assets; He's a RH shot which we have none of outside of Hamonic - even all our top D-prospects in Bridgeport are LH; He probably won't command more than $4M, which shouldn't a problem considering both Eaton and Jurcina are coming off the books(5M or so).
IMO he'd be a great fit playing alongside Streit. Just a solid, underrated d-man. I'd be pretty comfortable going into next year with a top-4 of Streit-Rozsival and Murray-Hamonic. Stick one of de Haan or Donovan(whoever earns the spot in TC) on the bottom-pairing with MacDonald and we should be able to roll all 3 of those pairings rather equally.
I've never been a huge fan of Rozsival. He's okay I guess.
I'd prefer to go after a different Yotes' defenseman in Rozsival. He's a UFA so he won't cost any assets; He's a RH shot which we have none of outside of Hamonic - even all our top D-prospects in Bridgeport are LH; He probably won't command more than $4M, which shouldn't a problem considering both Eaton and Jurcina are coming off the books(5M or so).
IMO he'd be a great fit playing alongside Streit. Just a solid, underrated d-man. I'd be pretty comfortable going into next year with a top-4 of Streit-Rozsival and Murray-Hamonic. Stick one of de Haan or Donovan(whoever earns the spot in TC) on the bottom-pairing with MacDonald and we should be able to roll all 3 of those pairings rather equally.
It's interesting, because at the trade deadline in that video, Maloney mentions Aucoin (RHD who will be 39 paid $1.9M last season, paired well with OEL). But at this point I kind of wonder if Maloney would prefer bringing back Rozsival instead (RHD will be 34, $3M last year, paired well with several guys and played big minutes in the playoffs). Probably depends on other signings, but if Rozy will re-sign for less than $3, I'd probably rather bring him back and let Stone and Rundblad carry the third pairing RHD slot.
For B defensemen you'll get B value. Non first-round picks, depth forwards, etc. Players who are relatively fungible and easily accessible around the leaue.
It's interesting, because at the trade deadline in that video, Maloney mentions Aucoin (RHD who will be 39 paid $1.9M last season, paired well with OEL). But at this point I kind of wonder if Maloney would prefer bringing back Rozsival instead (RHD will be 34, $3M last year, paired well with several guys and played big minutes in the playoffs). Probably depends on other signings, but if Rozy will re-sign for less than $3, I'd probably rather bring him back and let Stone and Rundblad carry the third pairing RHD slot.
If not, the Isles would be a good fit for him.
Agreed. Got to see him a lot when he was with the Rags. Really liked him then. Now I got to see him again during the Coyotes' playoff run and he still looks extremely solid. Considering how difficult it would be for the Isles to bring in a Suter or even a Garrison, I'd prefer to just offer Rozsival $4M or more if necessary.
Personally I'm not big on the Isles trading assets for a D-man unless it's a big-name guy. Yandle would definitely be one of those guys, but A) I doubt he'd be available, and B) if he was it would cost the Isles a fortune(4th overall + one of Strome/Nino.. maybe more, I really don't know).
Rozsival just seems like a smarter and easier option.
For B defensemen you'll get B value. Non first-round picks, depth forwards, etc. Players who are relatively fungible and easily accessible around the leaue.
I like all three of these guys on the Yotes, but I want to explore better fits for these guys if there are any.
For example, I think Schlemko could be attractive if a team is over the cap or looking for cap relief. League minimum contract, 25 year-old puck moving D, averaged 18 minutes per game on a playoff team who can play in the top 4 in a pinch and has some playoff experience. If your team has a logjam in the top 9 and needs to move a little salary to make some cap space, maybe we have a basis for a good trade. I just don't know other team's needs, hence the thread.
I like all three of these guys on the Yotes, but I want to explore better fits for these guys if there are any.
For example, I think Schlemko could be attractive if a team is over the cap or looking for cap relief. League minimum contract, 25 year-old puck moving D, averaged 18 minutes per game on a playoff team who can play in the top 4 in a pinch and has some playoff experience. If your team has a logjam in the top 9 and needs to move a little salary to make some cap space, maybe we have a basis for a good trade. I just don't know other team's needs, hence the thread.
I understand, but what you're saying is you're wondering if anyone's in such a cap jam that they'll pay you an A price (top six forward, first round pick, etc.) for a B return. My point is no, they won't, because you don't have any kind of monopoly on players with that profile. I'm not saying those players aren't useful, only that lots of teams have them and nobody will have to pay an A price for them regardless of any cap situation.
I understand, but what you're saying is you're wondering if anyone's in such a cap jam that they'll pay you an A price (top six forward, first round pick, etc.) for a B return. My point is no, they won't, because you don't have any kind of monopoly on players with that profile. I'm not saying those players aren't useful, only that lots of teams have them and nobody will have to pay an A price for them regardless of any cap situation.
Not quite. I'm looking for someone in a change of scenery sort of scenario. The two guys I'm thinking of to replace Langkow and Pyatt are Stoll and Boyes. Both have put up points in the past, but both had relatively low production seasons and have slid on their respective team's depth chart to where they probably aren't going to be re-signed.
I'm thinking something similar here but maybe with younger players under contract or RFAs.
For Klesla, I like the Bailey idea from NYI. I also would see if Edmonton would consider something around MPS for Klesla. That kind of thing.
Not quite. I'm looking for someone in a change of scenery sort of scenario. The two guys I'm thinking of to replace Langkow and Pyatt are Stoll and Boyes. Both have put up points in the past, but both had relatively low production seasons and have slid on their respective team's depth chart to where they probably aren't going to be re-signed.
I'm thinking something similar here but maybe with younger players under contract or RFAs.
For Klesla, I like the Bailey idea from NYI. I also would see if Edmonton would consider something around MPS for Klesla. That kind of thing.
Edmonton doesn't have the depth in the top 6 to trade a LW. We have Hall and MPS slated for that role.
Hemsky for Klesla might be a good base to add from if Edmonton keeps the 1st overall as we'd then have depth at RW.
Not quite. I'm looking for someone in a change of scenery sort of scenario. The two guys I'm thinking of to replace Langkow and Pyatt are Stoll and Boyes. Both have put up points in the past, but both had relatively low production seasons and have slid on their respective team's depth chart to where they probably aren't going to be re-signed.
I'm thinking something similar here but maybe with younger players under contract or RFAs.
For Klesla, I like the Bailey idea from NYI. I also would see if Edmonton would consider something around MPS for Klesla. That kind of thing.
Those are B returns at best. The Blues utterly screwed Buffalo by getting a 2d round pick for Boyes, he's been a shadow of his brief peak for years now. If all you're looking for is that low level caliber of return, you can get it. Anyone can get that quality of player for relatively modest trade value. I guess my only reply was that you can't get A returns for B value, but it doesn't sound like you're looking for A returns.
I'm surprised you want to trade any defensemen now. Just the other day we were talking about it and your argument was the Coyotes are at least a year away from needing to trade anyone. Now you're investigating trading from the defense.
Those are B returns at best. The Blues utterly screwed Buffalo by getting a 2d round pick for Boyes, he's been a shadow of his brief peak for years now. If all you're looking for is that low level caliber of return, you can get it. Anyone can get that quality of player for relatively modest trade value. I guess my only reply was that you can't get A returns for B value, but it doesn't sound like you're looking for A returns.
I'm surprised you want to trade any defensemen now. Just the other day we were talking about it and your argument was the Coyotes are at least a year away from needing to trade anyone. Now you're investigating trading from the defense.
I'm saying the same thing as I did in that thread. You pointed out that you think Gormley should be in the NHL next year and that the Yotes need to restock their forward prospects. Klesla for MPS or Bailey would accomplish both those things and either of those guys should be able to at least replace the production of Langkow/Pyatt in 2012-13 with potential for more both next year and down the road.
I'm just looking to see if there might be other offers like that that are worth considering.
I think both Summers and Zach Boychuk (Carolina) are waiver eligible this year. I haven't watched Boychuk in a while, but maybe something around the two of them. Boychuk doesn't look like he'll make the opening night roster in Raleigh. I just don't know what their depth on D is like right now. Looking for brainstormed ideas like that.
I'm saying the same thing as I did in that thread. You pointed out that you think Gormley should be in the NHL next year and that the Yotes need to restock their forward prospects. Klesla for MPS or Bailey would accomplish both those things and either of those guys should be able to at least replace the production of Langkow/Pyatt in 2012-13 with potential for more both next year and down the road.
I'm just looking to see if there might be other offers like that that are worth considering.
I think both Summers and Zach Boychuk (Carolina) are waiver eligible this year. I haven't watched Boychuk in a while, but maybe something around the two of them. Boychuk doesn't look like he'll make the opening night roster in Raleigh. I just don't know what their depth on D is like right now. Looking for brainstormed ideas like that.
Yes, I think Gormley should be in the NHL next year and he would be on any team who doesn't first need to trade someone like Klesla to make that happen. I'm just saying that trading Schlemko and Summers and Klesla will return you Just A Guys. (Klesla might get you the most, but he's got an injury history that will limit his return.) Just as you yourself point out, Just A Guys (eg, Brad Boyes) are available both on the free agent market and teams will part with Just A Guys like MPS, as Edmonton fans who (not irrationally) fear he's a bust have been trying to do in dozens of trade proposals. It kind of doesn't matter what the specific name of the Just A Guy is, only that it's Just A Guy. Phoenix has only Just a Guys in the pipeline to replace the aging top six forward talent, so our earlier discussion about balance ws aimed at getting real talent back for real talent. Nobody's going to offer you much for 2d/3d pairing potential defense, because why give up an asset when you can get that cheap on the market for no assets? Prepare to be underwhelmed by the brainstorm. If I'm Carolina and I think Zach Boychuk isn't a bust, I'm keeping him and just signing some free agent at the same rate as Schlemko or Summers. Plenty of 'em. Or, I'm giving my own D prospects a chance if they're ready. If I think Boychuk is a bust, sure, you can have him. Congrats, you traded for a bust.
