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05-26-2012, 11:04 AM
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Id do Krecji/Horton/Boychuck/a first/and a conditional first
for Iginla/Boumeister
I would hope you do. That's bat**** insane.

We can't afford to take in all that contract, especially J-Bo. No interest in him whatsoever. We have to give Lucic a raise and save ~2m for Seguin, too. That is just way too much, that could get you Nash.

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Boston and Calgary actually seem to be fairly logical potential trade partners. Calgary SHOULD BE REBUILDING but they aren't willing to do a bottomfeed so they actually need youngish vets who will improve depth and fix cap issues. Iginla has obviously had a HOF career in Calgary and has been the face of the franchise for a decade now but it was a decade where the team's fan base didnt feel the team had enough success. Now Iginla's time is running out and he is going to become another Sundin type situation if he doesnt agree to be moved for the good of the future.

So that leaves us with Iginla and Calgary in a tough situation. There is alot of potential for bad PR here. If he does go on the market then whoever deals for him has to realize he is an UFA after this year. Basically you are only trading for 1 year of an elite player and you are on the hook for 7 mill in salary for him. Im not sure he is worth even as much as a deadline rental {first, decent top 6 guy, decent prospect} since a team has to pay the entire cap hit for him... but then again Calgary doesn't have to move him if they dont get an offer they dont like.

Iginal still has a few years in him where he can be viewed as a 30+ goal guy who has good work habits and is a winner and a leader. A team that dealt for him likely wouldnt want to pay him 7mill a year in future seasons, but if I dealt for him I'd be willing to go maybe 6ish or so on a 2-3 year extension.

3 years of Iginla would be worth Krecji and Horton and a conditional first rounder based on the fact that Iginla did resign.

The logic for Boston is that Horton has only 1 year left too and Iginla is clearly an upgrade over him. Krecji gets moved cause Boston needs the cap space and the opening on the top line for Iginla to slide into.

Boston's plan going forward is to resign Iginla and use him with Seguin/Lucic on what would be a huge and talented first line. Then go with Bergeron/Marchand and maybe Caron for the second line provided Caron proved he could keep up with the icetime... allowing Peverly to move to a third line to provide scoring depth. Or Peverly plays the second line and Caron just becomes a grinder on the third line?

Boston then only needs to decide what to do with their third line center {resign Kelly until Spooner takes the job?} and other third line winger {resign Pouliot until Knight takes the job?} and the top 9 forwards are nicely set up for a good 3 year run where no serious tinkering would be needed...

I think Iginla would be almost the perfect addition with this plan in mind cause he has the right skill set and leadership qualities the team would want to play with Seguin/Lucic

As for the idea of grabbing Bouwmeister and whether or not Boston can afford it... they can but it requires moving Boychuck. Its almost perfect coincidence that Boychuck is from Alberta and has been in Calgary for his junior career. Seems like a great fit that Boychuck replaces Bouwmeister in the Calgary lineup at a much more affordable cap hit for them to help out their remodle and Bouwmeister becomes Hamilton's partner for the next couple years being such a great skating shutdown LH shot guy to be able to bring out the best in Hamilton's game and cover up for more of his mistakes then Boychuck would be able to.

Getting Bouwmeister to play with Hamilton would allow Seidenberg to stay with Chara for the entire season and not just the playoffs.

One big perfect trade to address both of Boston's main needs... a legit top line RW or C to play with Seguin/Lucic and a legit top rated LH shot 3/4 pairing dman to play with Hamilton.

Id do Krecji/Horton/Boychuck/a first/and a conditional first
for Iginla/Boumeister

If Calgary chooes to resign Horton they get 5 pretty darn good building blocks for 2 superstars that they werent able to win with anyhow
Thats a huge trade and I would do it.

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05-26-2012, 11:16 AM
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Id do Krecji/Horton/Boychuck/a first/and a conditional first
for Iginla/Boumeister


That's a lot of assets to give up. Two-thirds of your scoring line ot the door means the B's have to play Pevs or Caron as a top-6 winger and throw Seguin into a center role. Not ideal.

I like Iginla as much as the next guy but if the B's are going to make a move for Jarome it can't contain more than one top-six player. They B's just don't have the depth to replace a hole in the top-six. Look at their playoff exit.

This move also has the B's taking on salary so it becomes less likely they will be able to fill holes with good UFAs.

If and it's a big If. The B's can trade Thomas for futures, sign Rask to a reasonable deal, then maybe with that little cap space snag a player off FA like Whitney to fill the top-6 void this creates, then I'd be all for it. But without other moves and signings this trade hurts Boston's depth and top-6.

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I like the logic of that but the cap hit for Iginla and Bouwmeester is around 13.6 mil i think thats hard to swollow. Add Iginla would be huge for this team hes the type of talent Boston needs right now. Very interesting but we need to dump some salary for that to work I think.

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Wow so $14m coming in w/ Iginla & Bouwmeester!??

Boston gives up it's 1st line center for a ufa to in Iginla with NO guarantee that he'd resign here. Whats stopping him from resigning w/ Calgary in the offseason for a retirement deal? (especially now that Calgary would finally have him a 1st line center in Krejci).

What im not following is HOW is Iginla worth Krejci? Based on what?

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Take it or enjoy 10th place again. Calgary absolutely MUST trade Iginla, they cannot afford to finish in 9th ot 10th place again.

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Wow so $14m coming in w/ Iginla & Bouwmeester!??

Boston gives up it's 1st line center for a ufa to in Iginla with NO guarantee that he'd resign here. Whats stopping him from resigning w/ Calgary in the offseason for a retirement deal? (especially now that Calgary would finally have him a 1st line center in Krejci).

What im not following is HOW is Iginla worth Krejci? Based on what?

Caron
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Take it or enjoy 10th place again. Calgary absolutely MUST trade Iginla, they cannot afford to finish in 9th ot 10th place again.
They also can't afford to get back nothing for him. Caron is a decent player and all but every organization has one or two Carons. The 1st is late in a week draft and Boychuk is a middle pairing d-man.

That trade sets Calgary back even further. They're better off holding him till the trade deadline and trying to get a nice package of top end prospects and picks.

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05-26-2012, 11:24 AM
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Wow so $14m coming in w/ Iginla & Bouwmeester!??

Boston gives up it's 1st line center for a ufa to in Iginla with NO guarantee that he'd resign here. Whats stopping him from resigning w/ Calgary in the offseason for a retirement deal? (especially now that Calgary would finally have him a 1st line center in Krejci).

What im not following is HOW is Iginla worth Krejci? Based on what?

Caron
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Boychuk

Take it or enjoy 10th place again. Calgary absolutely MUST trade Iginla, they cannot afford to finish in 9th ot 10th place again.
I disagree. I think Iginla is worth more than Krejci. He's their captain, he's scored 1000 points there, and he's basically the face of their franchise for not only the past decade or so, but for the entire franchise. He's an idol in Calgary. You have to give to get. Also, he's scoring 30 goals every year for the past 10.. Not too shabby.

IMO, Krejci+Caron for Iginla is pretty generous. Maybe add a 3rd or so from our side, but for just Iginla, that's pretty fair. Also, adding Babchuk and a 1st from our side would be pretty fair as well. This trade is robbery for us. Somewhere around the 22nd pick I think, a decent, good 2nd line potential prospect, and a middle pairign dman.

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Wow so $14m coming in w/ Iginla & Bouwmeester!??

Boston gives up it's 1st line center for a ufa to in Iginla with NO guarantee that he'd resign here. Whats stopping him from resigning w/ Calgary in the offseason for a retirement deal? (especially now that Calgary would finally have him a 1st line center in Krejci).

What im not following is HOW is Iginla worth Krejci? Based on what?

Caron
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Take it or enjoy 10th place again. Calgary absolutely MUST trade Iginla, they cannot afford to finish in 9th ot 10th place again.
With that trade we finish last. There is no way that deal is made.

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With that trade we finish last. There is no way that deal is made.
Isnt it funny how that guy doesnt think Krejci is worth Iginla. Sorry to say buddy if Iginla is traded to Boston Krejci will be involved wether you like it or not. Caron a draft pick and Sauve who is horrible wont get it done.

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