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05-27-2012, 10:24 PM
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I don't see Burke as a great asset manager at all... he got lucky on some deals just like every GM does. Some players just take another step in their development after being dealt.

Burke has given away a lot of assets or seen them devalued after the brought them to his organization... and he's always been a terrible drafter as well, and hasn't accumulated a lot of assets through the draft through most of his career.

At best, he's average when it comes to overall asset management.
Burke built a Stanley Cup winning team and drafted the Sedins when everyone thought it was a gimmick. The dude get's on my nerves, and I've called for his head plenty of times, but he's made some great deals.

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I don't see Burke as a great asset manager at all... he got lucky on some deals just like every GM does. Some players just take another step in their development after being dealt.

Burke has given away a lot of assets or seen them devalued after the brought them to his organization... and he's always been a terrible drafter as well, and hasn't accumulated a lot of assets through the draft through most of his career.

At best, he's average when it comes to overall asset management.
Draft history includes:

Sedin's
Kesler
Bryan Allen
R.J. Umberger
Kevin Bieksa
Bobby Ryan
Eric Tangradi
Steven Kampfer
Jake Gardiner
Justin Schultz

He's got a good history of drafting, but won't bring up any leafs picks until they prove bust or not.

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05-27-2012, 10:31 PM
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I don't see Burke as a great asset manager at all... he got lucky on some deals just like every GM does. Some players just take another step in their development after being dealt.

Burke has given away a lot of assets or seen them devalued after the brought them to his organization... and he's always been a terrible drafter as well, and hasn't accumulated a lot of assets through the draft through most of his career.

At best, he's average when it comes to overall asset management.
This is kinda funny in this thread considering Burke drafted Schultz.

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05-27-2012, 11:21 PM
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Draft history includes:

Sedin's
Kesler
Bryan Allen
R.J. Umberger
Kevin Bieksa
Bobby Ryan
Eric Tangradi
Steven Kampfer
Jake Gardiner
Justin Schultz

He's got a good history of drafting, but won't bring up any leafs picks until they prove bust or not.
Thats not very good when you think that is over what...15 years?

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05-27-2012, 11:24 PM
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This is kinda funny in this thread considering Burke drafted Schultz.
Hah, my thoughts exactly.

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Thats not very good when you think that is over what...15 years?
That's not including his tenure in Toronto so that's like 10ish years.

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05-27-2012, 11:25 PM
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That's not including his tenure in Toronto so that's like 10ish years.
Ok include his Toronto days..... Ya even worse

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Thats not very good when you think that is over what...15 years?
I don't know why we're even bringing up drafting. That reflects on the strength of an organization's scouting department, not its GM.

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Thats not very good when you think that is over what...15 years?
14 drafts. Minus three for the ones as Toronto GM no one's including, minus another because Vancouver had fired him, so 10 in total. That list also forgets Jarkko Ruutu, but yeah, it's not stellar. Not great, but not as terrible as some make him out to be, he's made some pretty good picks.

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Ok include his Toronto days..... Ya even worse
Its way too early to assess his drafts with us. All the players are still developing.

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05-27-2012, 11:34 PM
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Draft history includes:

Sedin's
Kesler
Bryan Allen
R.J. Umberger
Kevin Bieksa
Bobby Ryan
Eric Tangradi
Steven Kampfer
Jake Gardiner
Justin Schultz

He's got a good history of drafting, but won't bring up any leafs picks until they prove bust or not.
Chris Pronger

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05-27-2012, 11:37 PM
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I don't know why we're even bringing up drafting. That reflects on the strength of an organization's scouting department, not its GM.
True, but it's the GM's job to organize that scouting department. Hilariously enough, Burke is probably responsible for Anaheim's drafting being excellent(or so it appears to be) since he left. After his last draft as Ducks GM Burke hired Martin Madden Jr. to be the chief of amateur scouting, and wow did that pay off big(or so it appears to be).

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True, but it's the GM's job to organize that scouting department. Hilariously enough, Burke is probably responsible for Anaheim's drafting being excellent(or so it appears to be) since he left. After his last draft as Ducks GM Burke hired Martin Madden Jr. to be the chief of amateur scouting, and wow did that pay off big(or so it appears to be).
Well that and Cam Fowler basically being gift wrapped to you d:

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Thats not very good when you think that is over what...15 years?
That wasn't a list of all players that have made the NHL.

Chris Pronger
Jarko Ruutu
Marek Malik
Andrei Nikolishin
Nolan Pratt
Manny Legace
RJ Umberger

there's a few more and it still remains to be seen how players like Kadri, Ross, Blacker, McKegg, Biggs, Percy etc. do.

Still how many guys have drafted 3 Hall of Famers -- Sedins and Pronger?

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Well that and Cam Fowler basically being gift wrapped to you d:
Hahaha true, but he might not be even the biggest steal in those three years, believe it or not(easily the best player, but not best steal). And out of 22 picks, I would say 13 have pretty legit shots to be NHL regulars, and who knows about the rest. It's way too early to tell, but with how everything's gone, it looks very impressive.

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Hahaha true, but he might not be even the biggest steal in those three years, believe it or not(easily the best player, but not best steal). And out of 22 picks, I would say 13 have pretty legit shots to be NHL regulars, and who knows about the rest. It's way too early to tell, but with how everything's gone, it looks very impressive.
Wow that's better than a 50% clip. That's pretty phenomenal. Good for you guys. Reminds me of when we had JFJ in charge. Terrible, terrible GM, but the guy was an amazing scout. Gunnarsson, Kulemin, Reimer, some other guys I'm forgetting, all in the mid/late rounds.

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Wow that's better than a 50% clip. That's pretty phenomenal. Good for you guys. Reminds me of when we had JFJ in charge. Terrible, terrible GM, but the guy was an amazing scout. Gunnarsson, Kulemin, Reimer, some other guys I'm forgetting, all in the mid/late rounds.
Like I said, it's way, way too early to tell, but right now it looks pretty good. 5 have played in the NHL already, 3 have established themselves as regulars, and that's not including WHL scoring phenom Emerson Etem or SM-Liiga top defenseman Sami Vatanen. Murray deserves a lot of credit as well, as of those 13, only Max Friberg(143-11) and Vatanen(106-09) were outside the top 100 picks in that draft year. Include Andy Welinski(83-11) and Igor Bobkov(76-09), and they were all in the top 50(five were first rounders). That list also doesn't include 2011 third rounder Joseph Cramarossa(65th), no one seems to be too high on him.

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True, but it's the GM's job to organize that scouting department. Hilariously enough, Burke is probably responsible for Anaheim's drafting being excellent(or so it appears to be) since he left. After his last draft as Ducks GM Burke hired Martin Madden Jr. to be the chief of amateur scouting, and wow did that pay off big(or so it appears to be).
When he was with Vancouver they were on a really tight budget and there wasn't enough resources to hire a top level scouting department. And it's too early to judge what he's done with Toronto, though his picks don't look too bad so far, they've performed well at their respective levels.

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05-28-2012, 01:50 AM
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I hope he says he is gonna sign with the Leafs and then changes his mind and signs with the Sens.

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I don't know why we're even bringing up drafting. That reflects on the strength of an organization's scouting department, not its GM.
Not hating on Burke. Just the people acting like he is the draft whisperer.

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That wasn't a list of all players that have made the NHL.

Chris Pronger
Jarko Ruutu
Marek Malik
Andrei Nikolishin
Nolan Pratt
Manny Legace
RJ Umberger

there's a few more and it still remains to be seen how players like Kadri, Ross, Blacker, McKegg, Biggs, Percy etc. do.

Still how many guys have drafted 3 Hall of Famers -- Sedins and Pronger?
lolz, talk about counting chickens. Sedins are far from locks for the Hall of Fame

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I came in here hoping to find some news on where Schultz would be inclined to sign, but all I see is the debate on Brian Burke..

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Chris Pronger
He got really lucky with NOT having the 1st overall pick lol, or we could very well add Alex Daigle instead of Pronger to that list. He is good at drafting depth players though. I honestly think drafting is more the scouts job so I don't see why this is even being debated when talking about Brian Burke, unless its a high pick of course

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Almost 1100 posts on Schultz? Dang

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He's going to sign with Edmonton and turn out to be a big bust. He'll get picked up on waivers by the Jackets 35 games in and by the end of the season he'll have 62 points.

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