Rangers give up Gaborik, Del Zotto, Boyle for Kane and Frolik
Bruins give up Thomas for Del Zotto, Boyle, Stalberg
Hawks give up Kane and Frolik for Thomas and Gaborik
At first glance, Boston gets fleeced. But the way I see it, Rask is their number one for the long-term, and getting back a 21 yr old top-4 offensive defenseman, a 6'7" third line center, and a 6'3" LW who are both young and have room to improve is a very good return for a 38 year old goalie.
The Hawks don't lose any production going from Kane to Gaborik, at least not in the regular season. Gaborik and Hossa have magical chemistry. The salary difference is more than compensated by dumping Frolik's salary. He's underachieved big-time. And they also get a proven clutch number 1 goalie that they've been missing since their cup run.
The Rangers get a dynamic multi-dimensional playmaking winger for one-dimensional Gaborik. Kane is on a better contract, is younger, and is a proven playoff performer. For those upgrades, they give up DZ (who they can afford to lose with McD, Staal, Girardi as their top 3, and especially if they add Schultz or Suter and/or Sauer recovers fully) and Boston kid, Brian Boyle.
You may be right, but a lot of their fans think a number 1 goalie should be their top priority this offseason. There has been talk that they might even be interested in Luongo. Thats a horrible contract. I figured they'd be just as interested in Thomas who has accomplished and proven much more vs Luongo who is a head case who wilts in big games and has one of the worst contracts in the NHL.
With that said, I think Chicago will obviously try a much simpler short-term fix like going after Vokoun on a 1-2 year deal. But if he signs elsewhere and there aren't many options, this could be a consideration, however unlikely.
aaaaaand cue all the wacky Gaborik proposals. I think my one from last summer for Dustin Brown, Brayden Schenn, and a 1st was pretty sweet! Gaborik did have a pretty good season though. Obviously his post-season was 'concerning'
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Even better question, why the hell would we do this? Gaborik, Del Zotto, and Boyle for Kane and Frolik? Is the OP joking?
The OP is determined to trade both of them. Fortunately for everyone involved, these proposals (like many others we will see over the course of the off-season), will remain the domain of the HF Ranger board and have no resemblance to what will actually take place. Your responsibility as a poster is to point, stare and laugh at everyone of them.
multi-season 40 goal scorer with the rangers alone. hit the 50 goal mark in minn and a 21 year old who hit 40 points on defense and looks capable of being a regular 50 point guy AND one of their best shutdown forwards...for a 30 goal scorer and a guy who hasn't scored more than 20 in years.
that makes sense :rollseyes: .....
not to mention thomas being past his prime and trading for him when he's a UFA in a year..
The idea the OP puts forward that 'at first glance Boston gets fleeced' is patently ridiculous. Thomas is about 35 years old. He doesn't have a lot of years left as a top goaltender. I wouldn't move Del Zotto for him one for one. No ****ing way. Even if we didn't have Lundqvist. And I'm not nearly as big a MDZ fan as some around her.
Would the Hawks move Kane? Would the Rangers even want Kane. Kane's had a lot of off ice incidents. Kane is a tremendous offensive talent but how committed a player is this guy? He's a more consistently productive version of Semin as far as I can tell. In other respects he's lackadaisical in his defensive responsibilities like Semin and pretty much a goof off on and off the ice which doesn't fit the way the Rangers under Tortorella do things. FWIW Avery was less of a distraction than Kane would promise to be and Avery was a more responsible player on the ice than Kane will ever hope to be.
Not that this will happen, but... Nobody would be shocked if Chicago tried to move Kane this summer, he has a chance to party himself right out of the NHL if he doesn'tget his head out of his arse. Chi is certainly growing tired of his shenanigans. That being said he is a 23yo top 10 offensive talent. Bos and Chi do not need NYR involved to work a trade.
And Gaborik has never scored 50. 3 time 40g guy, 42 career high.
The idea the OP puts forward that 'at first glance Boston gets fleeced' is patently ridiculous. Thomas is about 35 years old. He doesn't have a lot of years left as a top goaltender. I wouldn't move Del Zotto for him one for one. No ****ing way. Even if we didn't have Lundqvist. And I'm not nearly as big a MDZ fan as some around her.
Would the Hawks move Kane? Would the Rangers even want Kane. Kane's had a lot of off ice incidents. Kane is a tremendous offensive talent but how committed a player is this guy? He's a more consistently productive version of Semin as far as I can tell. In other respects he's lackadaisical in his defensive responsibilities like Semin and pretty much a goof off on and off the ice which doesn't fit the way the Rangers under Tortorella do things. FWIW Avery was less of a distraction than Kane would promise to be and Avery was a more responsible player on the ice than Kane will ever hope to be.
Yeah. Avery responsible and Kane not.
Avery couldn't crack one of the least offensively gifted teams in the NHL, showed himself to be a petulant brat on many occasions, but somehow he is in any way worthy of being held up as more responsible than Kane.
I'd trade Gaborik or Richards for Kane in a bleeping heartbeat. I wouldn't trade Mitchell for Avery. I wouldn't trade the Rangers last pick in next year's draft for Avery. I wouldn't accept Avery as a gift. Every NHL GM feels similarly.
Personally, I don't think Kane would work here at all. Probably wouldn't mesh with Torts attitude wise.
Then screw Torts' attitude. This team needs offensive creativity, not more muckers.
Torts did a great job with a team missing finishers. Great coaches adjust to personnel. They don't shoehorn personnel into a system.
This year's team was tough as nails to play against and played great defense, but eventually ya have to score some goals. Even Lamoriello understands this. That is why he is a truly great GM.
