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05-28-2012, 12:53 PM
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Wiki says Carriere was hired in 2010 as Assistant GM/Player Personnel



So I don't get it, is Mellanby taking Carriere's job a bit too? Is he a bridge between Timmins and Carriere/Dudley?
No when Bergevin announced he hired Dudley, he also announced that Carrière contract was extended by 2 more seasons. I don't think Carrière is leaving his job.

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Totally agree with this. This was my one question-mark in evaluating all of the GM candidates, and part of the reason I slightly favoured Pierre Mcguire for the post. Granted, there is not any telling reason to suspect Mcguire to be any less old-school than Bergevin might turn out to be.
You'll have to explain to me how that led you to favor McGuire, who I see as by far the most old-school candidate of all the names bandied about! Everything I've ever heard him say basically oozes old-school mentality. This is precisely why I felt McGuire would be an unmitigated disaster.

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I really hope the front office will incorporate an innovative approach to managing the Habs going forward. We'll be left in the dust if we don't.
I agree. That's why I was hoping for Brisebois -- I thought of all the candidates he was the most likely to bring in new ideas. Bergevin is an unknown, but the signs are currently pointing away from it, which leaves me somewhat apprehensive.

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You are talking as if they were bringing Scotty Bowman, Jacques Lemaire, Larry Robinson and Mike Babcock over.

I wouldn't call Scott Mellanby a big name with big dollar figures.
I was commenting to someone that posted that we should use our money to build the a great staff. I just wanted to say that it shouldn't be focused on the money, but rather on the GM's ideals.

Anyways, yeah Mellanby is native of Montreal, love it.

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While I agree with you to an extent, the fact is that many teams in the league couldn't afford to birng in the guys like Montreal can. With an inexperienced GM it's good to have a bunch of guys with various types of experience to lend a helping hand.

I also think having different styles and visions could be a good thing, provided it doesn't create strife it's good to see and hear other viewpoints.

The thing I really want to hear is that the habs are hiring more and more scouts. One area that simply cannot be disputed about the positive impact of it, IMO, is scouting.

How many full time scouts in Europe do the Habs have? I'd love to find a website where you can compare teams scouting staffs and costs. I don't believe it exists.
That would be fabulous.

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Beauty move. Mellanby is a really good hockey person and was a great character player in the league (believe he was traded for $1 once).

Diffusing the responsibilities and putting it in the hands of good hockey minds means the focus can be put on specific areas. We have a lot of money, we should be hiring a lot of people and assembling a strong staff.

A breath of fresh air.

Pretty sure that was Kris Draper

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Wiki says Carriere was hired in 2010 as Assistant GM/Player Personnel



So I don't get it, is Mellanby taking Carriere's job a bit too? Is he a bridge between Timmins and Carriere/Dudley?
Mostly both probably. Excellent news too. Carriere and Dudley will be all pro player scouting and nothing else.

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Love it. Our management team is shaping up to be very strong!

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I love it. The Habs have a lot of money and it's nice they are starting to spend it to create a strong management team. It seems more like managing by committee with Bergevin as the figurehead. Gainey and Gauthier seemed to be the only ones making decisions.

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Wiki says Carriere was hired in 2010 as Assistant GM/Player Personnel



So I don't get it, is Mellanby taking Carriere's job a bit too? Is he a bridge between Timmins and Carriere/Dudley?
Timmins title was "Director of procurement and player development", I don't know if Player Personnel is the same as "Player Development"...

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Just a quick note, Scott Mellanby was actually born in Montreal.

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Didn't know this, that's cool!

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No when Bergevin announced he hired Dudley, he also announced that Carrière contract was extended by 2 more seasons. I don't think Carrière is leaving his job.
Not what I meant at all. I meant TT lost some duties in order to focus on scouting. Carriere appears to have lost some duties as well. I know he's staying, but what's his tasks right now?

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I was commenting to someone that posted that we should use our money to build the a great staff. I just wanted to say that it shouldn't be focused on the money, but rather on the GM's ideals.

Anyways, yeah Mellanby is native of Montreal, love it.
Oh I did mis-read your post then, apologies

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Translation: Timmins will be in charge of drafting the players and Mellanby will take care of developing them.

About time,too much for one person to handle effectively.

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You'll have to explain to me how that led you to favor McGuire, who I see as by far the most old-school candidate of all the names bandied about! Everything I've ever heard him say basically oozes old-school mentality. This is precisely why I felt McGuire would be an unmitigated disaster.
Admittedly, I have no good justification for my Mcguire support. I think it might have stemmed from the fact that he seems to be a bit of an outsider to the boys club that is the NHL fraternity. He's been considered for several GM posts over the last few years and has failed at the last minute on every occasion. He definitely brings a different persona, but I admittedly have zero hard evidence that he would have been more innovative. I think I disqualified Bergevin from the potential to be innovative based solely on the fact that he played in the league. So, basically I can't justify any of my hunches, and will have to wait and see what happens.

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I agree. That's why I was hoping for Brisebois -- I thought of all the candidates he was the most likely to bring in new ideas. Bergevin is an unknown, but the signs are currently pointing away from it, which leaves me somewhat apprehensive.
I hope they find a way to strike the right balance, and I surely hope they don't pick Roy as coach. To me that would be about the most old school signal the team could send.

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In his last 2 years in atlanta he was coached by Bob hartley

things that make you go hmmmmmmm

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Not what I meant at all. I meant TT lost some duties in order to focus on scouting. Carriere appears to have lost some duties as well. I know he's staying, but what's his tasks right now?
Ah, well, honestly, only someone who works in the Canadiens can really answer that question. Whether he only says what he thinks about x players or x decision or has other duties, I don't really care, it appears that he is competent at what's he doing so it's all that really matters.

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Just a quick note, Scott Mellanby was actually born in Montreal.

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Which Montrealers didn't know that?

Oh... right.

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Sounds good. Was hoping they would do something to fix the development and pro scouting problems that this team has had (along with asset management). Sounds like they are doing this and I really like the idea of Timmins being fully focused on drafting talent. Now hire the next coach and start re-signing some of our RFA's as summer is now upon us and I'm going to be bored at work.

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Pretty sure that was Kris Draper
You are correct

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I think so too. I thought player personnel dealt with the vets as well and not just 'development'.
I think maybe Timmins handles the junior and Mellanby handles the young AHL/Pros and perhaps even the vets. Oddly enough, Dudley had the same title with the Leafs: http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=42119

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Ah, well, honestly, only someone who works in the Canadiens can really answer that question. Whether he only says what he thinks about x players or x decision or has other duties, I don't really care, it appears that he is competent at what's he doing so it's all that really matters.
Yup, just curious if him and dudley are co-assistants with similar roles or each have specific tasks. I assume they do, but just wondering is one more day to day operations and another more pro scouting? Just curious.

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I don't agree with that. Money and big names (even in hockey operations) don't equal to better results. I won't get into example (you just have to look at our neighbors in Toronto).

I prefer to choose one great mind (the GM - Marc Bergevin), and let him build a team he's comfortable with and that complements him. I prefer having one great mind surrounded by a supporting cast, then have 4 potential GMs trying to work together when they all have different styles/visions.
Let me explain myself a bit further.

We have enough money that we should not be having Timmins focusing on player personnel, development and being the head amateur scout.

We have too much money to be cutting corners on the size of our scouting staff (leaving areas under scouted or not scouted at all). Too much money to have a valuable asset like Timmins diffusing the amount of time he has to three separate responsibilities that could be handled by another highly regarded staff member.

Gauthier cut the scouting staff. Didnt hire much in the way of staff and seemed to cut corners in regards to spending money.

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Pretty sure that was Kris Draper
Ahh, right. Hilarious.

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Yup, just curious if him and dudley are co-assistants with similar roles or each have specific tasks. I assume they do, but just wondering is one more day to day operations and another more pro scouting? Just curious.
I would think that Dudey would be more all around scouting. He's going to be given specific scouting missions whether in europe, junior, NCAA, AHL or NHL. Larry Carrière seems more like the day to day operation guy to me.

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Let me explain myself a bit further.

We have enough money that we should not be having Timmins focusing on player personnel, development and being the head amateur scout.

We have too much money to be cutting corners on the size of our scouting staff (leaving areas under scouted or not scouted at all). Too much money to have a valuable asset like Timmins diffusing the amount of time he has to three separate responsibilities that could be handled by another highly regarded staff member.

Gauthier cut the scouting staff. Didnt hire much in the way of staff and seemed to cut corners in regards to spending money.
Yes I agree, no reason to not use it as an advantage.

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Other rumors are swirling that Hartley’s former captain with the Atlanta Thrashers, Scott Mellanby, has joined the Habs’ managerial team. Mellanby, who was working as an assistant coach with the St. Louis Blues, announced last week that he was resigning to “explore career opportunities”. UPDATE: Mellanby has been named director of player personnel according to Renaud Lavoie of RDS.
Is Hartley gonna be the head coach?

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