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Jere Lehtinen vs. Esa Tikkanen

View Poll Results: Jere Lehtinen vs. Esa Tikkanen
Jere Lehtinen 28 46.67%
Esa Tikkanen 29 48.33%
Even 3 5.00%
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05-28-2012, 05:21 AM
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Jere Lehtinen vs. Esa Tikkanen

Two players who were capable of playing top line minutes and experts on shutting down and playing defensive hockey with the ability to score points too. Which one of these great Finnish players do you think was better. Not asking a better career, since other has 5 cups. But both have their names in the cup.

Lehtinen was awesome for Stars. Probably one of the best defensive forwards in the late 90's. Tikkanen was one of the most hardest players to play against. He would tick you off with his "rat" moves and "tikitalk".

Here is their NHL totals for career:

Tikkanen
Regular season:
877 Games played
244 Goals
386 Assists
630 Points
1077 PIM

Career high: 34 Goals 78 Points
No personal hardware.

Lehtinen
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875 Games played
243 Goals
271 Assists
514 Points
210 PIM

Career high: 31 Goals 52 Points
3 time Frank J. Selke trophy winner

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This is a good poll!

When you adjust their respective offensive numbers, they look like this...

PlayerGoalsAssistsPoints
Tikkanen222361583
Lehtinen265288553

Pretty even! Both were great defensive players to go along with their solid offensive contributions. Tikkanen was the more physical of the two, also Tikkanen is one of the great pests of all-time. I am taking Tikkanen, but an argument could certainly be made for choosing Lehtinen instead.

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05-28-2012, 09:21 AM
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Esa!
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Lehtinen was awesome for Stars. Probably one of the best defensive forward in the late 90's.
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05-28-2012, 11:27 AM
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This is a good poll!

When you adjust their respective offensive numbers, they look like this...

PlayerGoalsAssistsPoints
Tikkanen222361583
Lehtinen265288553

Pretty even! Both were great defensive players to go along with their solid offensive contributions. Tikkanen was the more physical of the two, also Tikkanen is one of the great pests of all-time. I am taking Tikkanen, but an argument could certainly be made for choosing Lehtinen instead.
Thanks for the adjusted numbers! I think it actually is pretty close. Personally i went with Lehtinen since i think he brought more value to his team. He could be on the ice no matter what was going on.

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Esa!Fixed.
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05-28-2012, 11:29 AM
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I went Lehtinen. Good goal scorer, unbelievable defender. Plus I was a bit too young to remember Tikkanen

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Stars fan saying Tikkanen.

Thank god we get Eriksson. Not as good defensively, but definitely better offensively.

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Jere Lehtinen, as it was only injuries that really slowed him down. I really wonder if Dallas is waiting to retire Mike Modano's #9 before retiring Lehtinen's #26.

Really close though; what made me vote Lehtinen is that I saw more of him.

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Tikkanen wins. Forever.

If there was a Tikkanen vs Gretzky poll, I would take Tikkanen.

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My Oiler bias led to a Tik vote, but as others have said, this is a solid "vs" poll. If I have to give a reason, I'd say Tik had some pretty tough shadowing assignments (Gretzky) and almost always took the guy he was trying to shutdown to the box with him. Lehtinen certainly had better overall defensive play and could help cover missed assignments in the defensive zone, but if you wanted one guy from the opposition eliminated, Tik was your guy.

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05-28-2012, 11:23 PM
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Tikkanen, but it is close. Can't argue with that hardware.

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Both guys were dynamos checking the other team's top guys and both guys put up respectable offensive numbers. Tikkanen probably played more of a "shadow" role during his career (different era of hockey than Lehtinen, where shadowing a particular player wasn't used as frequently). The difference for me is that Tikkanen brought an agitator card to the table every night. Guys hated playing against him, especially in a 7 game series. He'd draw a pile of penalties (maybe take some bad ones too), but then that Oilers powerplay would just eat you alive. I like both as players but Tikkanen takes this one, hands down, for me...

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A bit more closer than i thought. I had a feeling that Tikkanen would take this easily.

Would love to see a little more votes, so i would feel more safe to make some sort of conclusions about this poll. But maybe people are not too interested with these two guys.

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Both guys were dynamos checking the other team's top guys and both guys put up respectable offensive numbers. Tikkanen probably played more of a "shadow" role during his career (different era of hockey than Lehtinen, where shadowing a particular player wasn't used as frequently). The difference for me is that Tikkanen brought an agitator card to the table every night. Guys hated playing against him, especially in a 7 game series. He'd draw a pile of penalties (maybe take some bad ones too), but then that Oilers powerplay would just eat you alive. I like both as players but Tikkanen takes this one, hands down, for me...
This is my feeling as well. He was such a super pain to play against.

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Both are similar 2-way forwards, except...

-Tikkanen is one of the all time hated pests, Lehtinen had no agitator side whatsoever. With his constant yapping and rat antics Tikkanen was one of the most entertaining players to watch, while Lehtinen is your typical robot player.

-Tikkanen was more physical. Lehtinen was physical too in a way that he was strong on corners, but Tik dished out some nice hits. During one of his first NHL stints Tikkanen run over Dave Brown...

-Tikkanen could sometimes play also as a centre or PP-point man, Lehtinen was all winger. Tikkanen was a better playmaker.

Lehtinen had only two things over Tikkanen: better wrist shot(Tik had a better slapper, though) and more mature/responsible character(did not take stupid penalties like Tik and read the defensive game even better than Tik).

Offensively edge to Tikkanen, defensively edge to Lehtinen. In all it's Tikkanen pretty easily, since he brought some elements (agitation and hard hitting dirtiness) to the game which was totally lacking from Lehtinen's repertoire.

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Lehtinen.

Offensive production is close between them until you factor in era.. as soon as you do Lehtinen was more productive imo. Especially if we consider that while Modano is a Hall of Famer.. Gretzky might have been a little better for the offensive numbers.

And Lehtinen is among the better defense forwards ever even if Tikkanen was no slouch defensively - particularly as a shadow because he was so annoying.

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A bit more closer than i thought. I had a feeling that Tikkanen would take this easily.

Would love to see a little more votes, so i would feel more safe to make some sort of conclusions about this poll. But maybe people are not too interested with these two guys.
I think the reason the poll didn't go this way is because the majority of posters are probably the younger generation who never saw Tikkanen play. If a person with any kind of a mind for hockey had witnessed both in game action I don't think Lehtinen would even get 10% of the vote...

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I think the reason the poll didn't go this way is because the majority of posters are probably the younger generation who never saw Tikkanen play. If a person with any kind of a mind for hockey had witnessed both in game action I don't think Lehtinen would even get 10% of the vote...
I wanna agreed but if Essa didnt spend a lare portion of his career in Edmonton with the legends and NYR with some of those same legends idk that this would even be a conversation...

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Seems like this poll is starting to be done. Lehtinen was losing for basically whole time, but he pulled ahead at the end.

Kind of happy about that, cause i think Lehtinen brought a bit more value to his team than Tikkanen did.

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I think the reason the poll didn't go this way is because the majority of posters are probably the younger generation who never saw Tikkanen play. If a person with any kind of a mind for hockey had witnessed both in game action I don't think Lehtinen would even get 10% of the vote...
*Stars fan homer alert*

I am indeed too young to have watched Tikkanen but I can speak my mind on how good Lehtinen is. I don't mean for this to sound like quite the praise some will read it as because Lehtinen definitely had some deficiencies in his game (not a great passer, playmaking ability) but to me Lehtinen is the perfect everyman hockey player in some. He didn't have all world ability anywhere except between the ears and he made the best out of that.

Everything about his defensive game screams PK/defensive specialist but he was blessed with the ability to get open and unleash a pretty damn good snap shot in addition to his defense. Whatever line he played on almost always played well and throughout most of his career on some pretty damn good Stars teams whatever line he was playing on at that moment was the team's best line.

Like I said, I didn't watch Tikkanen but I can't tell you how many times I went to Stars games just Lehtinen play hockey every time he was on the ice. Watching his play without the puck was as elite as it gets for a winger.

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