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05-29-2012, 12:51 AM
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Goalie - check
Blue Line - check
Bottom 6 - check
Top 6 - based on where they finished

Richards
Gabby
Krieder
Steps
Cally
Hagelin


I'm guessing someone here gets bumped down for a UFA signing or a trade.


I heard Dave Maloney on his little exit interview and he seemed pretty sure the team would be addressing the top 6 issue via trade or UFA.

As promising as Krieder and Hags looked, I don't think Slats puts all his eggs in that basket.
Agreed. Labeling players as second liners or third liners is outdated in the current salary cap NHL. Every single Stanley Cup champion team has young players on ELC's playing on the third line who are skilled enough to be "second liners" but are there because they provide necessary depth and secondary and tertiary scoring that's so crucial in tight playoff series.

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05-29-2012, 01:05 AM
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I can recall numerous moments where Boyle's defensive play, allowed Feds and Prust to counter with scoring opportunity's. He's definitely not a terrific skater, but again for a guy his size he has the mobility to play effective hockey. He's a much better skater than Rupp, for comparison and Rupp is smaller.

He's solid along the boards. He does a fine job keeping the puck in the zone, winning 1-on-1 battles down low, and even creating opportunity's. And for a team that's brutal in the face-off department, he's one of the best we have there.

21G last season. 11G this season. 10-15G a year from your 4th line center who's solid in face-offs, great on the pk, can forecheck, plays his tail off, and fits the teams culture, and makes 1.7M should be the last of our concerns.

Let's worry about the real issue at hand. Fix what's broken, not what can use an upgrade. There no guarantee that the upgrade over Boyle makes any difference when all is said and done.
This. The fixation on Boyle is ridiculous. Torts obviously trusts him against the opposition's best offensive players - add the attributes BBG notes above, and Boyle is one of the last pieces we should be looking to replace.

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05-29-2012, 01:29 AM
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Even if they get Nash and Schultz, IMO they still have a pressing need at 3rd line center. Gaustad or Kelly would help a lot with depth and faceoffs.
well what we need after trading for nash would depend on what we give up to get him...its possible that we'd have several spots to fill after that deal...if you think our depth is bad now lol

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05-29-2012, 06:35 AM
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Get Nash and Ryan, move out Gaborik, Dubinsky, and a few spare parts. That should get Slats' rep up in NHL 12 GM Mode

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05-29-2012, 08:21 AM
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well what we need after trading for nash would depend on what we give up to get him...its possible that we'd have several spots to fill after that deal...if you think our depth is bad now lol
I don't think our depth is as bad as many here make it out to be. However replacing "depth" is a hell of a lot easier to do than filling a top-line W spot.

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05-29-2012, 08:45 AM
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I want a 2a and 2b line.

Kreider-Steps-Jones
Dubi-Ani-Cally

Each line capable of putting up 55-70 goals, realistically. Add in a first line capable of 70+ in the regular season (BRich (who I expect to be better next season)and Gabby (if not gone) alone should make up for 55)).

Gives you the possibility to switch Dubi/Kreider/Hagelin up and down on those lines. Heck, gives you the possibility to switch on all positions.

A 4th line built around Boyle and Prust should do for at least another 20.

Don't overpay for Parise, Ryan or Nash, wait for next year, when the league has figured it out, together with the players. Then go after someone - call me crazy, it won't happen, but I would LOVE Hartnell (31 next year) in blue. He's the guy the opposition hates and your own guys love. Add, he would add some toughness and size on our top6.

Keep the Defense together as it is. If Sauer doesn't make progressions I'm all on the Schultz bandwagon (I am, anyway). Keep Eminger as 7th D.

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05-29-2012, 09:04 AM
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On an other note, anyone have a real solid backup plan for Jones/Hudler/Kelly?

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05-29-2012, 09:17 AM
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On an other note, anyone have a real solid backup plan for Jones/Hudler/Kelly?
Stoll or Gaustad possibly as well. The Rangers don't need more than 1 or 2 maximum forwards out of UFA, if any at all. I just want them to get better in the face-off circle. It killed them in the playoffs.

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05-29-2012, 09:18 AM
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Dave Maloney is a funny guy. This time last year he didn't feel the Rangers would go after Richards and give him that type of money. He pointed to all of the players the Rangers had to re-sign last summer but the cap was going up for 11-12. The CBA expires in September and the Rangers more than 1/2 the team up for contracts in the new few summers with the prospect the cap more likely to remain flat or go down than up especially if there is a lockout and games are missed. Parise is not coming here. Nash will cost too much in assets and then you're going to worry about how he will respond to the pressure of the playoffs.

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05-29-2012, 10:06 AM
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I'd be down with Jones, a faceoff specialist (would love Gaustad) and maybe a bottom pairing defenseman.

The big time Winger we all want might not be available till the trade deadline. Might as well keep yourself competitive and flexible until that time.

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Dave Maloney is a funny guy. This time last year he didn't feel the Rangers would go after Richards and give him that type of money. He pointed to all of the players the Rangers had to re-sign last summer but the cap was going up for 11-12. The CBA expires in September and the Rangers more than 1/2 the team up for contracts in the new few summers with the prospect the cap more likely to remain flat or go down than up especially if there is a lockout and games are missed. Parise is not coming here. Nash will cost too much in assets and then you're going to worry about how he will respond to the pressure of the playoffs.
every single year people cry about how we are cap screwed how it will kill our team, yadda yadda yadda.

it has NEVER happened.

Signing Richards will kill us.

Buying our Drury will kill us.

Etc, etc, etc.

If signing Zach Parise/Trading for Rick Nash means we have to get rid of Artem Anisimov, then so be it.

Losing a 3rd line player or 2 should stop you from getting a first line player

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05-29-2012, 10:28 AM
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I don't think our depth is as bad as many here make it out to be. However replacing "depth" is a hell of a lot easier to do than filling a top-line W spot.
when during the playoffs and you need another forward your options are john scott or eminger/bickel at forward, your 'depth' is beyond the point of embarassing...

and its not just depth in ny. we also had a lack of depth in hartford of guys that we could call up. but hopefully the hartford part will be improved with wellman there all year, guys like jam and hrivik getting signed, kids like thomas making the jump.

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05-29-2012, 10:35 AM
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when during the playoffs and you need another forward your options are john scott or eminger/bickel at forward, your 'depth' is beyond the point of embarassing...

and its not just depth in ny. we also had a lack of depth in hartford of guys that we could call up. but hopefully the hartford part will be improved with wellman there all year, guys like jam and hrivik getting signed, kids like thomas making the jump.
They had Zuccarello and Dubinsky both out.

I would rather trade Dubinsky + Anisimov for a big-time 30 goal scoring power forward who can dominate play and help carry the offense and then re-sign John Mitchell to do the dirty work.

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how good is this d jones, never watched him play, wasn't he injury prone

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David Jones will most likely be overpaid. I would think 3~4 million/season. He has scored 20 goals twice in his career. I would think about it at 2.5 but I think he gets much more than that.

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what type of player is he, big/speed????

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how good is this d jones, never watched him play, wasn't he injury prone
He's a solid player. He's an opportunistic goal scorer, very similar to Callahan in that regard. Great size, but he doesn't use it on a regular basis. Good hands around the net. Pretty versatile that he can play either wing. Pretty good straight ahead speed, but lacks a big in the agility department. I liked him as a deadline pickup, but some team is going to overpay him. I think he'll get north of $3.5M per year.

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Get Parise. Gaborik will be off the books in a couple years.

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Dave Maloney is a funny guy. This time last year he didn't feel the Rangers would go after Richards and give him that type of money. He pointed to all of the players the Rangers had to re-sign last summer but the cap was going up for 11-12. The CBA expires in September and the Rangers more than 1/2 the team up for contracts in the new few summers with the prospect the cap more likely to remain flat or go down than up especially if there is a lockout and games are missed. Parise is not coming here. Nash will cost too much in assets and then you're going to worry about how he will respond to the pressure of the playoffs.
The Rangers obviously aren't as worried as you are, because they took a heavy run at Nash already.

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My first option would be Parise because he does not cost any assets like Nash would. If we don't get Parise, I'd explore trading for a Nash or Bobby Ryan. Either of those 3 would fix this teams' offensive woes. I would than try to sign Schultz.

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Artem Anisimov, Brandon Dubinsky, etc should not stop you from signing Zach Parise.

No frikkin way.

If signing Parise means we have to trade Dubi, AA, etc for some picks or prospects going forward, then so be it.
wholeheartedly agree. Gaborik can't be the only scoring threat we have. Richards and Cally can score, but they are more playmakers, and Kreider is still an unknown despite his exceptional playoff run. If we sign Parise, or trade for a Nash/Ryan type player, than everyone can move down a spot in the lines. Sign Parise or make a trade for Nash/Ryan, and sign Schultz and this team will be very lethal.

Parise(if signed)/Nash(trade)/Ryan(trade)-Richards-Kreider
Callahan-Stepan-Gaborik
Hagelin-Dubinsky/Anisimov-
Prust-Boyle-Rupp
Girardi/Mcdonagh
Staal/Schultz
Del Zotto/Stralman

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I love how people mention something like "the guy scored 20 goals twice", as if that guarantees he'd do the same here. In this horrible Torts system. With only one true (and aging) centerman.

Ladies and gentleman, here are the Rangers needs for the future:

- at least one forward with speed, hands and creativity. Doesn't have to be a superstar, but must have the ability to gain the zone, go east/west quickly, and create offense with a slick pass or shot-on-goal/rebound. Almost like a point guard in hoops. Current Rangers who can do this? NONE. Richards and Stepan are too slow, Gaborik can't go east/west and gets knocked off puck too easily, as does Anisimov. Hagelin doesn't have the gifted hands to do this. Kreider? We shall see, but that's not what he's here to do.

- One face-off specialist (as discussed ad nauseum here)

- One ass-kicking defensemen to clear the crease and punch the ****** out of a forward who's bothering Hank. No, Girardi and Staal are not good at this, nor is McD. Current Rangers who can do this? One: Dylan McIlrath, but he might not be fully ready by the time Richards/Gaby/Hank's prime ends, which will be quicker than you think. Still, I don't advise overspending on a guy. They should wait for Dylan McI.

Most fans of any sport tend to fall in love with their own draft picks, but I really think this team needs a makeover to take the next step. Personally, I think Anisimov is a waste of space and Stepan is too slow and weak to succeed in playoff hockey. I'm all for dealing these two guys to improve this team. I'd also deal Stepan sooner than later before everyone finds out the kid can't skate and can't hold onto the puck when someone leans on him.

As for the rest, dump Mitchell, Feds and Bickel, keep Boyle and Rupp. I also wouldn't give Prust more than a 50% raise.

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Dave Maloney is a funny guy. This time last year he didn't feel the Rangers would go after Richards and give him that type of money. He pointed to all of the players the Rangers had to re-sign last summer but the cap was going up for 11-12. The CBA expires in September and the Rangers more than 1/2 the team up for contracts in the new few summers with the prospect the cap more likely to remain flat or go down than up especially if there is a lockout and games are missed. Parise is not coming here. Nash will cost too much in assets and then you're going to worry about how he will respond to the pressure of the playoffs.
Keep in mind Dave Maloney was the captain of the '79 Rangers when they made their run. Every time someone refers to Messier as 'The Captain' must not sit well with him. I have been a fan of the team long enough to see the run in '79.

He is the absolute anti-homer announcer/analyst when it comes to the Rangers. I like Dave but he almost never paints the Rangers in a good light. The guy wears his emotions on his sleeve. I still remember him trying to break his stick over his own cross bar but instead slashing Davidson's leg, injuring him.

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If I have to hear any more about this horrible system that got the team within 2 wins of the SCF, I'm going to kill a puppy. The cutest puppy I can find.

You've been warned.

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Reading through this thread, it seems like most everyone is saying the same things:

1) The Rangers need another top-end point producer. Leaning on Richards, Gaborik and Callahan to shoulder the load is not going to work.

2) The Rangers need a better 3rd line center. Moving Boyle up to the 3rd line C spot is okay, but when the inevitable injuries occur moving him up to 2c is not something a NHL team looking to vie for the Stanley Cup should do.

3) The Rangers need another top-4/6 RD. Preferably a puck-mover but a hard-nosed, mean d-man would work well too.

We will see what they do, but some of these in between players like Jones (who is barely a top-6 forward) should not even be looked at. They are more of the same.


Options for 1:
Nash
Ryan
Parise
Iginla
Clowe

Options for 2:
Gaustad
Kelly
Ott
Stoll

Options for 3:
Schultz
Stuart
Suter

Comparing the costs of the players, unless someone else is available that I am not aware of, I would take Parise, Kelly and Schultz.

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