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05-29-2012, 11:07 AM
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Ryan Smyth potential free agent signing

It looks like he will test the market. He's getting older but still would be a nice upgrade in terms of net presence, which the team badly needs. Q coached him in Colorado as well. It wouldn't be one of my top choices for spending the money but IMO not a bad one and would fill a need.

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I hope not.

He's basically Andrew Brunette, but with a higher price tag, and an even higher chance of demanding to go back to Edmonton at some point.

Looks like the Kings are really missing him.

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I hope not.

He's basically Andrew Brunette, but with a higher price tag, and an even higher chance of demanding to go back to Edmonton at some point.

Looks like the Kings are really missing him.
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05-29-2012, 11:14 AM
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He's better than Brunette. We knew Brunette was a 4th liner when we got him. This guy isn't that bad but I still wouldn't lean on him too much at even strength. As far as the money goes, who cares, we're not even close to a cap team. I feel like, sadly, if you are looking for a major move, it's going to be something like this, better than nothing I guess.

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He's basically Andrew Brunette but better. If the dollars make sense, I'd be for it.

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He's better than Brunette. We knew Brunette was a 4th liner when we got him. This guy isn't that bad but I still wouldn't lean on him too much at even strength. As far as the money goes, who cares, we're not even close to a cap team. I feel like, sadly, if you are looking for a major move, it's going to be something like this, better than nothing I guess.
I believe 99.99% of people thought Brunette would be in the top-6 when we got him... then, we saw him skate..

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I'm really getting tired of all Stan's acquisitions either being too green or too over the hill. Can we get players in their prime for a change? Ya know, shop outside of the dollar store? The cap crisis is over and this isn't necessary any longer.

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05-29-2012, 11:28 AM
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I'm really getting tired of all Stan's acquisitions either being too green or too over the hill. Can we get players in their prime for a change? Ya know, shop outside of the dollar store? The cap crisis is over and this isn't necessary any longer.
Agreed, but it is what it is. It's at the point where this team can't even forward before Bowman is removed as GM or McDonough starts meddling again with a huge signing.

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I'm really getting tired of all Stan's acquisitions either being too green or too over the hill. Can we get players in their prime for a change? Ya know, shop outside of the dollar store? The cap crisis is over and this isn't necessary any longer.
I hope Stan reads this.

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I'm really getting tired of all Stan's acquisitions either being too green or too over the hill. Can we get players in their prime for a change? Ya know, shop outside of the dollar store? The cap crisis is over and this isn't necessary any longer.
You're "really getting tired"? Stan had no choice but to go with whatever he could get in 2010-11.. and last year, all the players he brought in the "experts" all thought was what we were lacking the year before.

Trial and error. You see what works and weed out what doesn't. You learn and you move forward.

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You're "really getting tired"? Stan had no choice but to go with whatever he could get in 2010-11.. and last year, all the players he brought in the "experts" all thought was what we were lacking the year before.

Trial and error. You see what works and weed out what doesn't. You learn and you move forward.
The experts are idiots if they thought those ancillary moves alone were going to fill all of the needs this team had and still does. They didn't spend the large amount of cap space and went into the season lacking both a No. 2 C and a top 4 D (as well as a few other things). They opted to do nothing during the season for whatever reason. Mind you, we lost Campbell as well, one of the better players on the team. Signing Mayers and Montador wasn't going to put this team over the top and I don't recall anyone thinking it would. If they did, they were wrong, along with the experts.

And I still think the team during the cap hell year was better than the one we had this year. That's a ****ing a sad fact. Either way, neither was good enough, not even close.

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The experts are idiots if they thought those ancillary moves alone were going to fill all of the needs this team had and still does. They didn't spend the large amount of cap space and went into the season lacking both a No. 2 C and a top 4 D (as well as a few other things). They opted to do nothing during the season for whatever reason. Mind you, we lost Campbell as well, one of the better players on the team. Signing Mayers and Montador wasn't going to put this team over the top and I don't recall anyone thinking it would. If they did, they were wrong, along with the experts.

And I still think the team during the cap hell year was better than the one we had this year. That's a ****ing a sad fact. Either way, neither was good enough, not even close.
Your thinking is and always will be flawed. You don't spend money for the sake of spending money. You commit term and appropriate salary to the right players.. not just to spend up to the cap. If those players don't come along, you stand pat rather than making a move for the sake of making a move (that's a big reason why we got into the cap mess in the first place).

That's your "****ing sad fact", not an actual fact. They had more points, in a division that was significantly better than the prior year. They were a better team on paper.. but, the coaches let the team down.

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Your thinking is and always will be flawed. You don't spend money for the sake of spending money. You commit term and appropriate salary to the right players.. not just to spend up to the cap. If those players don't come along, you stand pat rather than making a move for the sake of making a move (that's a big reason why we got into the cap mess in the first place).
Signing Suter, getting a second line center and improving in goal would make your theory hold up and vindicate Bowman. Not doing so will obviously make him look even worse than he already does, as hard as that is to believe. TONS of great options to spend the money on this offseason.

It's just that is looks like this piece of **** is going resign everybody so far and add another small piece or two. I hope not but the early trend is disturbing and frightening.

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You're "really getting tired"? Stan had no choice but to go with whatever he could get in 2010-11.. and last year, all the players he brought in the "experts" all thought was what we were lacking the year before.

Trial and error. You see what works and weed out what doesn't. You learn and you move forward.
Yay, five years of Bowman learning on the job.

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You're "really getting tired"? Stan had no choice but to go with whatever he could get in 2010-11.. and last year, all the players he brought in the "experts" all thought was what we were lacking the year before.

Trial and error. You see what works and weed out what doesn't. You learn and you move forward.
Speaking of cheap signings. What would you guys think of the Hawks brining back Colin Fraser as 4th line center? He has played well for the Kings and our 4th line hasn't been the same since he left.

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Yay, five years of Bowman learning on the job.
Exactly, at this rate, Toews and Kane will be past their primes by the time baby Bowman even starts to have an idea of what the hell is going on.

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Speaking of cheap signings. What would you guys think of the Hawks brining back Colin Fraser as 4th line center? He has played well for the Kings and our 4th line hasn't been the same since he left.
He's gotten better than he was here. He would be a decent option, not nearly as good as Slater IMO, but a positive move nonetheless.

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No thanks to Smyth. Good player and great person, but he makes Brunette look like Stalberg. We need a shift back to the quick transition game that made us successful.

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He's better than Brunette. We knew Brunette was a 4th liner when we got him. This guy isn't that bad but I still wouldn't lean on him too much at even strength. As far as the money goes, who cares, we're not even close to a cap team. I feel like, sadly, if you are looking for a major move, it's going to be something like this, better than nothing I guess.
I don't think anybody thought/expected that. He had 43 goals and 64 Assists in his prior two seasons playing on a bad Minnesota team.

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I don't think anybody thought/expected that. He had 43 goals and 64 Assists in his prior two seasons playing on a bad Minnesota team.
Wild fans said exactly that, very slow at this point, use this guy on the 4th line and plenty of PP time. It didn't take but a couple games to see they were right.

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No thanks he is on decline and whined his way out of both Colorado and LA

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No thanks he is on decline and whined his way out of both Colorado and LA
gotta love when somebody whines their way off of a Cup Finals team and back into the basement.

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No thanks on Colin Fraser. He's a worse version of Burish/Dowell. Was happy when he went.

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I'd take him and this sounds like a Bowman signing. Smyth is better than Bruno for sure

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Agreed, (for once, yay lol) I have advocated this signing since the end of the season.

Smyth is quicker, will take more abuse and is a vet leader who could really help us.
Give him 3.5/1 yr and see what happens.

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