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05-29-2012, 06:01 PM
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Absolutely you can, it's common practice (the playoff thing especially).

From my understanding, it can say pretty much anything. With JT I would expect it's a full NTC because JT is a team guy, took a BIG discount to stay with this team, and is the face of the franchise. With Marleau, with the stripping of the captaincy, pouting season, and limited discount, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some kind of out for Wilson. The question I think is did he, or the team, perform poorly enough to trigger the window. Who knows. Just saying, it certainly could happen.
JT has an NMC, not an NTC, just like Marleau. That means that they can't use waiver pressure. An NMC is less likely to contain clauses. When TO was pressuring McCabe, they had no out. The agent basically replied "buy him out". Nabokov had a clause in the past where the only qualifier was making the playoffs. IMO, that would be the likely clause for the Sharks if there is one. Even before the current CBA, they had clauses for Nolan and Damphousse that were based on rounds of playoffs. I doubt that they would use individual production numbers.

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05-29-2012, 06:22 PM
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Would it be possible

Forgive me if it is not possible to do but do you think it could be possible to rebuild but also stay competitive with a deep playoff run? I just keep reading posts that say blow it all up and others that say we are still one or two pieces away from having a chance to win it all. I would think the sharks could trade a Marleau or Pavelski or Boyle (maybe) and maybe even close to get a first round pick. I don't have salaries in front of me but lets say hypothetically we trade Marleau to let's say Toronto . For him I think one team would offer a first round pick. We get that pick and save 7milion on Marleaus salary. We take 2 million to sign the draft pick and we still have 5 million to sign a free agent who keeps us competitive..basically starting to blend in rookies with veterans. I just don't think trading our draft picks will help us in the years to come..why does it have to be this season that it's all or nothing?

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05-29-2012, 06:24 PM
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Another "get rid of Marleau" thread?

Let's look at other NHL dismallities this post season:

Marleau 5 GP 0 pts
Bertuzzi 5 GP 0 pts
Lidstrom 5 GP 0 pts
Orpik 6 GP 0 pts
Joe $$$ 5 GP 0 pts
Sharp 6 GP 1 pt
Rupp 20 GP 0 pts
Sturm 7 GP 0 pts
Jackman 9 GP 0 pts
Keith 6 GP 1 pt

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05-29-2012, 06:25 PM
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Forgive me if it is not possible to do but do you think it could be possible to rebuild but also stay competitive with a deep playoff run? I just keep reading posts that say blow it all up and others that say we are still one or two pieces away from having a chance to win it all. I would think the sharks could trade a Marleau or Pavelski or Boyle (maybe) and maybe even close to get a first round pick. I don't have salaries in front of me but lets say hypothetically we trade Marleau to let's say Toronto . For him I think one team would offer a first round pick. We get that pick and save 7milion on Marleaus salary. We take 2 million to sign the draft pick and we still have 5 million to sign a free agent who keeps us competitive..basically starting to blend in rookies with veterans. I just don't think trading our draft picks will help us in the years to come..why does it have to be this season that it's all or nothing?
It's possible to rebuild on the fly and stay competitive (look at the Flyers). But your theory has issues. Firstly, no one is going to trade a pick or prospect for a guy with a big cap hit like Marleau or Boyle without sending back a salary dump like Matthew Lombardi or Colby Armstrong (to use your example). And that would end with minimal cap savings, and the pick wouldn't join the team right away (unless you get a Couturier by being really, really lucky).

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Another "get rid of Marleau" thread?

Let's look at other NHL dismallities this post season:

Marleau 5 GP 0 pts
Bertuzzi 5 GP 0 pts
Lidstrom 5 GP 0 pts
Orpik 6 GP 0 pts
Joe $$$ 5 GP 0 pts
Sharp 6 GP 1 pt
Rupp 20 GP 0 pts
Sturm 7 GP 0 pts
Jackman 9 GP 0 pts
Keith 6 GP 1 pt
Add Hossa that had 0 points in 3 games before getting injured. It was a weird post-season for a lot of guys.

But this is hardly a 'Trade Marleau' thread.

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05-29-2012, 06:28 PM
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Another "get rid of Marleau" thread?

Let's look at other NHL dismallities this post season:

Marleau 5 GP 0 pts
Bertuzzi 5 GP 0 pts
Lidstrom 5 GP 0 pts
Orpik 6 GP 0 pts
Joe $$$ 5 GP 0 pts
Sharp 6 GP 1 pt
Rupp 20 GP 0 pts
Sturm 7 GP 0 pts
Jackman 9 GP 0 pts
Keith 6 GP 1 pt
I am not advocating trade Marleau, simply discussing it's viability. He's my favorite player and always has been, still is.

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05-29-2012, 06:29 PM
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Ok thanks I knew it couldnt be that easy

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It's possible to rebuild on the fly and stay competitive (look at the Flyers). But your theory has issues. Firstly, no one is going to trade a pick or prospect for a guy with a big cap hit like Marleau or Boyle without sending back a salary dump like Matthew Lombardi or Colby Armstrong (to use your example). And that would end with minimal cap savings, and the pick wouldn't join the team right away (unless you get a Couturier by being really, really lucky).



Add Hossa that had 0 points in 3 games before getting injured. It was a weird post-season for a lot of guys.

But this is hardly a 'Trade Marleau' thread.
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I am not advocating trade Marleau, simply discussing it's viability. He's my favorite player and always has been, still is.
Mine too. I see more than a few posts leading in that direction. (Not nessessarily form you guys...)

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Mine too. I see more than a few posts leading in that direction. (Not nessessarily form you guys...)
Ignore the haters, Dan.

Personally I'm not against trading Marleau if it gets him to a contender, but I'm certainly not going to advocate shopping him.

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Trading Marleau cannot be discussed. He's the best Shark EVAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Trading Marleau cannot be discussed. He's the best Shark EVAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a difference with suggesting that he be traded and the ridiculous hate he gets from certain predictable posters.

EDIT: Hey 'Foo, I'm almost 2000 posts up on you now.

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There's a difference with suggesting that he be traded and the ridiculous hate he gets from certain predictable posters.

EDIT: Hey 'Foo, I'm almost 2000 posts up on you now.





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Trading Marleau cannot be discussed. He's the best Shark EVAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does lead our franchise in like, everything.

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He does lead our franchise in like, everything.
In about twice the time Thornton's been here.

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There's a difference with suggesting that he be traded and the ridiculous hate he gets from certain predictable posters.
There's a difference with suggesting that he not be traded and the ridiculous adoration he gets from certain predictable posters.

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No, I mean do you know any off the top of your head?
Nabby had the playoff clause where if the team missed, he didn't have the NTC for the following season.

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EDIT: Hey 'Foo, I'm almost 2000 posts up on you now.
Just wait till I'm done getting brutalized by school. I'll get back on top. Just you wait.

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There's a difference with suggesting that he not be traded and the ridiculous adoration he gets from certain predictable posters.
I think you mean poster.

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Nabby had the playoff clause where if the team missed, he didn't have the NTC for the following season.
Thanks. That's the kind of thing I wanted to know.

So I doubt that this season opened any windows in any hypothetical clause for Marleau. They made the playoffs, and I don't think it's fair to him if his clause depends on getting to the second round.

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Psh, in 7 years, I'll double your post count.
I really hope there's a postcount reset just to see your reaction.


Anyways, I thought performance clauses and such were only allowed in ELCs. Or am I mixing that up with something else?

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He does lead our franchise in like, everything.
Including, somehow, GAA.

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I really hope there's a postcount reset just to see your reaction.


Anyways, I thought performance clauses and such were only allowed in ELCs. Or am I mixing that up with something else?
Hey, Spin's would be better than mine.

And yeah, I though that was only in ELCs too, but I guess we're both wrong.

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guy guys we can't hate Marleau casue look at my avatar

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Including, somehow, GAA.
His GAA is 0.00.

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His GAA is 0.00.
And his sv% is 1.000.


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