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05-28-2012, 08:37 PM
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It will be interesting to see how Seiloff adjusts. He likes to play a mean game but isn't very big to begin with.
dont they have him listed as 6'1 202lbs?

does anyone know if he is signed to one of the Gold's or not?
Wouldn't be a gold since he'll be turning 18 this season and isn't expected here as an OA. At most he'd have two years of service time with us.

Regarding his size, there is a picture of Warren Rychel standing with Patrick on the Spits official site - he's a good sized kid already. Maybe fills out another 10 lbs over the next couple years with us.

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It will be interesting to see how Seiloff adjusts. He likes to play a mean game but isn't very big to begin with. QUOTE]

dont they have him listed as 6'1 202lbs?

does anyone know if he is signed to one of the Gold's or not?
Well Ebert is probably bigger than Sieloff but nobody talks about Ebert being a "big" defenseman.

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Sieloff would already be bigger than Kronwall who is one of the best open ice hitters in the NHL. Vlad Konstantinov was under 6ft and around 190lbs during his playing days and nobody would say he was easy to play against. Scott Stevens was a whole 10lbs heavier during his playing days - I wonder what his OHL weight was.

If anybody is saying he is big, I think they mean he is physical. 6'1" 202lbs for a 17 yr old kid who likes to check, play the shutdown role and relishes a good body check is something this team has been missing.

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Well Ebert is probably bigger than Sieloff but nobody talks about Ebert being a "big" defenseman.
Ebert plays small and he is the first player I've seen at this level to actually skate away from the puck on a regular basis

Now having seen several kids come in (WSR and the league) with some hype around them... so lived up, some not so much. I'm taking the wait and see approach on Sieloff.

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Who are the top import forwards that we may be looking at? Could we realistically make a move up? And would Pavelka be the main piece going the other way?

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Have to like the addition of Seiloff but the blueline still needs a ton of work. One player is not going to remake the D. If he comes as advertised he will definitely be an improvement but still need to add more to the backend.

If Haag is available, based on what has been said about him I would still hope Windsor adds him to the D.

We need more offence from the forwards and from the blueline but if the D can be improved that allows the forwards the chance to take a few more chances instead of having to worry as much about covering for the D. At the same time if Haag has the offensive potential to go along with a decent defensive game it too will help to generate offence.

With Seiloff on the team I would think Braithwaite is the first to go. An OA without a lot of value on the trade market or to this team with Posa being very similar it would open up time for some of the kids to further develop and prove their worth going forward.

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I would think that Rychel would trade the OA defenseman the has the higher value as they are similar in style. As much as I like Posa I think he will fetch more value than Braithwaite.
If Bowen improves his skating this summer what are the chances we move him to forward as his chances on defense are dwindling. I'd like to see him get a chance this year as we could use his size.

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I don't think there is any chance Posa is moved - He's the last link to the Mem Cup team. He's a solid enough, unspectacular defenceman and a solid lockerroom guy to the point he's mentioned by the Spits brass as a potential 2012-2013 captain. Being a late round pick and making the team shows he has the work ethic and is a good example for other camp players that anybody can make the team with hard work.

I don't think the difference in return would be all that much. We'd be looking at a 5th/6th round for either sorta deal.

I think we have four of our six spots locked down - Sieloff, Ebert, Bateman and Posa. The other two spots are legit up for grabs come the camp - Braithwaite, Devlin, Bowen, Sanvido, Brown, McNaughton fighting for the last two spots. Bowen is staying in Windsor this off-season to work with Garland and work on his skating - we know he's putting in the work so it will be up to the others to work as hard to stay ahead of him in the pecking order.

If I was to bet I think we keep Braithwaite and Bowen/Sanvido as our last pairing. Braithwaite would be better to pair with inexperienced Bowen and 16 yr old rookie Sanvido who would split playing time depending on the opposition. I see Devlin traded this off-season or during camp.


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next years i would like to swee vail have the "C"

i would like us to move posa and bowen


and this is what i would like to see our D be

Seloff - ebert
Braithwaite - bateman
devlin- Sanvido/ Brown

i fell we need to work these 16yrs old kids hard so they r ready for the cup run
give them everything to get better

and if we draft hagg then move devlin

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To be completely honest... Devlin is going to be hard ptessed to make the team. I was not imprrssed with him at all.

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To be completely honest... Devlin is going to be hard ptessed to make the team. I was not imprrssed with him at all.
Devlin is better then Bowen, Sanvido, Brown, McNaughton

plus just like everyone else giving ebert a pass with a bad year
devlin couldnt also had a bad year

the year before he was barries best defencmen

plus he could be used at the trade deadline to get a 19 year old defencmen that will be here and an O/A for our run

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I don't think there is any chance Posa is moved - He's the last link to the Mem Cup team. He's a solid enough, unspectacular defenceman and a solid lockerroom guy to the point he's mentioned by the Spits brass as a potential 2012-2013 captain. Being a late round pick and making the team shows he has the work ethic and is a good example for other camp players that anybody can make the team with hard work.

I don't think the difference in return would be all that much. We'd be looking at a 5th/6th round for either sorta deal.

I think we have four of our six spots locked down - Sieloff, Ebert, Bateman and Posa. The other two spots are legit up for grabs come the camp - Braithwaite, Devlin, Bowen, Sanvido, Brown, McNaughton fighting for the last two spots. Bowen is staying in Windsor this off-season to work with Garland and work on his skating - we know he's putting in the work so it will be up to the others to work as hard to stay ahead of him in the pecking order.

If I was to bet I think we keep Braithwaite and Bowen/Sanvido as our last pairing. Braithwaite would be better to pair with inexperienced Bowen and 16 yr old rookie Sanvido who would split playing time depending on the opposition. I see Devlin traded this off-season or during camp.
If you're right, doesn't it make more sense for 16 year old d-men like Sanvido and Brown to play big minutes in Tier 2 rather than be 3rd pairing, 7th d-men roles?

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There are definitely some hitches to playing JR. A or Jr. B as a 16 year old. For the most part, 16 year olds don't play much in Jr. B either. It was a problem with Smith's development last season. While the intentions may have seemed wise, in reality, he only really started to get good ice time after Christmas, which left a pretty sizeable void from September to December; when most of the season is played. As well, the Jr. B teams practice once or usually twice a week, wheras the Spits practice much more than that.

It is also a different environment in every way in Jr. B. The hockey is not taken nearly as seriously as in the OHL, and when you subject 16 year olds to an open environment like living away from home for the first time (as would be the case for our 16 year old's next season), as well as a semi-serious hockey environment, I'm not sure how much development really goes on.

Even with DeKort, he only started 2 of the first 7 games last season, eventually taking over the starting role. If you look around the league, though, he was the only 16 year goalie playing in the Western Division, and one of only four that saw any significant number of starts at the Jr. A OR Jr. B levels in Southern Ontario. (DeKort 37, Guigovaz 27, Graham 14, Fotinos 15) That is 4 goalies out of 92 spots.

Most Tier 2 teams have little interest in investing development into 16 year olds who will not be spending their Junior years with them. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but they are certainly reluctant to develop 16 year olds for the OHL. I think it is a fine line in assessing the benefit to a player sent to Jr. B for a year vs. spending the year as an 11th forward, or a 7th D.

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Fair enough, but in my mind development means a kid has to play as a 16 year old and play lots. Fine line between getting used to major junior and all its trappings and struggling as a 3rd pairing d-man. At the same time, I suppose the kid will need to battle for ice time at some point, but pretty steep learning curve. Guess that is why these kids were chosen so high.

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There are definitely some hitches to playing JR. A or Jr. B as a 16 year old. For the most part, 16 year olds don't play much in Jr. B either. It was a problem with Smith's development last season. While the intentions may have seemed wise, in reality, he only really started to get good ice time after Christmas, which left a pretty sizeable void from September to December; when most of the season is played. As well, the Jr. B teams practice once or usually twice a week, wheras the Spits practice much more than that.

It is also a different environment in every way in Jr. B. The hockey is not taken nearly as seriously as in the OHL, and when you subject 16 year olds to an open environment like living away from home for the first time (as would be the case for our 16 year old's next season), as well as a semi-serious hockey environment, I'm not sure how much development really goes on.

Even with DeKort, he only started 2 of the first 7 games last season, eventually taking over the starting role. If you look around the league, though, he was the only 16 year goalie playing in the Western Division, and one of only four that saw any significant number of starts at the Jr. A OR Jr. B levels in Southern Ontario. (DeKort 37, Guigovaz 27, Graham 14, Fotinos 15) That is 4 goalies out of 92 spots.

Most Tier 2 teams have little interest in investing development into 16 year olds who will not be spending their Junior years with them. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but they are certainly reluctant to develop 16 year olds for the OHL. I think it is a fine line in assessing the benefit to a player sent to Jr. B for a year vs. spending the year as an 11th forward, or a 7th D.
The only reason Smith got little ice time is because the Old Coach allways Promised ice time for players to sign them then hardly plays them or they dont dress. Hopefully with Ryan Donally as the Coach the kids will play. Plus it allways takes a few mnths to get use to the Speed improvement

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^Smith also got a ton of head checking game misconducts.

I'd keep Brown in Jr B for the full season, use Sanvido and Bowen as the alternating #6 defenceman with the idea that our third pairing this season will get consistent ice time, unlike last season where we played 5 D. Get Sanvido half the games and Bowen in half the games - both practicing with the team and being with the team full time while continuing to work with the skating coach.

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I'm not going to read too much into Smith's head-checking penalties because he's 6'7. His shoulders are at the level of most players heads. If he was 5'9 and jumping into hits, sure, but it's not the case.

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[QUOTE=Ottomatic;50279461]^Smith also got a ton of head checking game misconducts.

I'd keep Brown in Jr B for the full season, use Sanvido and Bowen as the alternating #6 defenceman with the idea that our third pairing this season will get consistent ice time, unlike last season where we played 5 D. Get Sanvido half the games and Bowen in half the games - both practicing with the team and being with the team full time while continuing to work with the skating coach.[/QUOTE

Good pts all the way around
Spits need to make sure the kids are ready,no need to rush them
conditioning, strength building,playing safe minutes is what will get Sanvido and Brown to the next level

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To be completely honest... Devlin is going to be hard ptessed to make the team. I was not imprrssed with him at all.
In agreement and in my humble opinion Devlin would be at best a 2nd powerplay specialist. He rates behind Ebert and Bateman as offensive options. From what I saw at WFCU he is not a good defensive defenceman. His best asset is his great shot.
While the addition of Sieloff does a lot to solidify the defense the Spits need another good defenseman in addition. Sieloff alone is not enough to make last years porous defense into a good defensive group.
I'd prefer to see another big body on the blueline who is willing to do the grunt work. He would probably have to be aquired via the trade route and quite possibly
might be an overage player. Someone with the size and reach of a Jarred Tinordi
would be what I'm talking about. Certainly not easily found but exactly what the doctor ordered.
The US options, Schmaltz and Butcher, are both more offensively oriented while
the overagers Posa and Braithwaite are not overly physical. Of the two Posa should be kept over Braithwaite but if the D-Man they need arrives both could be sent out in trades along with Devlin, better to keep potential than players who have reached theirs.

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In agreement and in my humble opinion Devlin would be at best a 2nd powerplay specialist. He rates behind Ebert and Bateman as offensive options. From what I saw at WFCU he is not a good defensive defenceman. His best asset is his great shot.
While the addition of Sieloff does a lot to solidify the defense the Spits need another good defenseman in addition. Sieloff alone is not enough to make last years porous defense into a good defensive group.
I'd prefer to see another big body on the blueline who is willing to do the grunt work. He would probably have to be aquired via the trade route and quite possibly
might be an overage player. Someone with the size and reach of a Jarred Tinordi
would be what I'm talking about. Certainly not easily found but exactly what the doctor ordered.
The US options, Schmaltz and Butcher, are both more offensively oriented while
the overagers Posa and Braithwaite are not overly physical. Of the two Posa should be kept over Braithwaite but if the D-Man they need arrives both could be sent out in trades along with Devlin, better to keep potential than players who have reached theirs.
I think moves on the defense wont be done until the season starts,re trades etc
1st couple of weeks coaches will want to see who is ready and who needs work
No need to rush things here

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If Ebert comes into camp out of shape and unprepared like last year, he should be the first to go.

No excuses this time.He should know by now what it takes in this league.

Nice addition with Seiloff coming and I dont think its over yet, next will be the Schmaltz bros. and maybe Barber.Once they see Seiloff has made the jump others will follow IMO.

Going to be a fun camp to watch.Alot of present players should be nervous.

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I think you can forget the older Schmaltz. He seems pretty content with staying with the NCAA.

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Trade window does open Friday - but usually only earlier agreed to trades are completed ie if we had the Soo OA coming back our way, or like last season when we had traded Carnevale before the draft.

However WR is basically handcuffed waiting for the Khokhlachev drama to play out because if he's coming back we need to move Pavelka, but if he's going to play in Moscow then we'd be able to keep Pav.

Spits also have their off-season fitness check-up meeting in Toronto on Saturday with everybody except Alonge(injured), and Koko and Pavelka back home and obviously not going to make that trip for one day.

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Trade window does open Friday - but usually only earlier agreed to trades are completed ie if we had the Soo OA coming back our way, or like last season when we had traded Carnevale before the draft.

However WR is basically handcuffed waiting for the Khokhlachev drama to play out because if he's coming back we need to move Pavelka, but if he's going to play in Moscow then we'd be able to keep Pav.

Spits also have their off-season fitness check-up meeting in Toronto on Saturday with everybody except Alonge(injured), and Koko and Pavelka back home and obviously not going to make that trip for one day.
Good info re trade window opening Friday. I was wondering when it opened.
With Sieloff signing it does give WR a few more options on the trade front.
We are still 3 weeks away from the NHL draft and nearly 4 from the CHL Import
Draft and I'm sure a lot of spade work is being done on future moves.

I'm of the opinion that Pavelka will get moved regardless of what Khokhlachev
decides to do. The Koko news should get finalized before the NHL draft in any case.

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However WR is basically handcuffed waiting for the Khokhlachev drama to play out because if he's coming back we need to move Pavelka, but if he's going to play in Moscow then we'd be able to keep Pav.
Although there is a lot of truth to these comments, I think the key to solving this puzzle will be NHL Draft weekend. I've always believed that Rychel uses that weekend to get intel on who'll report in terms of imports and designs his draft plans accordingly.

The fact Koko's father is the GM of the KHL team certainly creates a huge twist. It almost seems like a conflict of interest but definitely a highly effective tactic. Koko should not see a playing time issue in going to the KHL either. Even if Boston signs Koko, why wouldn't he still play in Russia if he gets the okay from the Bruins and doubles up his payday?

I'd rather see the Spits keep Pavelka regardless. Flopping for another goalie just seems like a waste of assets and a risk. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. In terms of the path he took, Pav would be a nice mentor on work ethic and character for Dekort. Plus with Pavelka not likely back for an OA year, you set yourself up for an import in 2013.

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