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05-30-2012, 02:32 PM
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Apparently, if you're not head over heels in love with every single homegrown Ranger, you're a fool.

Any team that trades a homegrown player loses the trade, right?

Some of you are so blinded by your obsession with homegrown players, I don't think you'd trade Lindberg for Malkin. "Malkin is overpaid!! Lindberg is on a ELC!! Fools!!"

I haven't seen anyone suggest we trade away all our youth for aging stars.

Some of us who accurately understand the urgency of the current situation/window of opportunity simply want to explore the option of trading 1 or 2 young players along with a roster player and/or picks to acquire a legitimate top-line scorer who happen to also be YOUNG. This ridiculous overvaluing of our drafted players is truly reaching levels of absurdity that I thought only Leaf fans could reach. Wow.

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05-30-2012, 02:33 PM
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I think the difference here is that nobody wants AA and Dubi to be GONE. what we want is to upgrade the team and understand that those are the chips that are the most easily traded.

I like Dubi as a player a LOT. I think he's a lot closer to the player he was 2 years ago than the one he was last year. The guy who led our team in scoring, not the guy who was a complete non-factor in about 75 games this season.

Yep. This all right here. 4.2 M is alot if you dont produce. Brandon can frost his tips elsewhere.

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05-30-2012, 02:37 PM
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BTW, really impressed our offseason talk has gotten this far already.

Best fans in the NHL don't miss a beat after getting knocked out
Giant fans might be the only others that are as loyal or beyond our loyalty to the Rangers.

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05-30-2012, 02:38 PM
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Yes. But keep Stepan.
For now anyway. Tell you what, he better get physically stronger and improve his skating or he's basically maxed out his ability and he will continue to be a card carrying member of our "Mr. Softie/cant produce in the playoffs club."

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05-30-2012, 02:39 PM
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Mason Raymond sucks. I wouldn't grab him for Dubi straight up and that's saying alot coming from me because Dubi is my whipping boy.

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05-30-2012, 02:40 PM
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What do you guys think the cost of Bobby Ryan will be on draft day ?
I would say Dubi, MDZ, Gaborik, and their 1st round draft pick.

Rangers get Bobby Ryan, Schultz, Etem, Palmieri. Then freeing rangers up to get parise.

(That is my opinion on what they should do.)

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05-30-2012, 02:41 PM
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Does this deal work?

NY RANGERS GET:

Patrick Sharp C/W


Dave Bolland C


Chicago Blackhawks Get:

Brandon Dubinsky C/W
Artem Anisimov c/w


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05-30-2012, 02:42 PM
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Please get Ryan or Iginla. Iginla would fit this team perfectly, big winger who can score. Ryan is big too but not as physical.

Either way, Dubinsky, McIlrath, Thomas, 1st rounder ('12, '13) should be in play. If we can get Ryan for Hagelin, Dubinsky, McIlrath and a first, I do it.

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05-30-2012, 02:44 PM
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Does this deal work?

NY RANGERS GET:

Patrick Sharp C/W
Kyle Beach W


Chicago Blackhawks Get:

Brandon Dubinsky C/W
Artem Anisimov c/w
I think Chicago says no IMO. I would think we would have to add more to snag a package including Sharp.

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Does this deal work?

NY RANGERS GET:

Patrick Sharp C/W
Kyle Beach W


Chicago Blackhawks Get:

Brandon Dubinsky C/W
Artem Anisimov c/w
The Rangers would do that in a heartbeat and squeal like school girls on prom night if it went down.

Chicago on the other hand would give a hardy laugh and say "Nice try , Glen, but April fools was two months ago!"

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Does this deal work?

NY RANGERS GET:

Patrick Sharp C/W
Kyle Beach W


Chicago Blackhawks Get:

Brandon Dubinsky C/W
Artem Anisimov c/w
Hate trading Anisimov, because he shows flashes of brilliance. I'd do it though. Why can't you just be consistent Arty?

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05-30-2012, 02:47 PM
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Apparently, if you're not head over heels in love with every single homegrown Ranger, you're a fool.

Any team that trades a homegrown player loses the trade, right?

Some of you are so blinded by your obsession with homegrown players, I don't think you'd trade Lindberg for Malkin. "Malkin is overpaid!! Lindberg is on a ELC!! Fools!!"

I haven't seen anyone suggest we trade away all our youth for aging stars.

Some of us who accurately understand the urgency of the current situation/window of opportunity simply want to explore the option of trading 1 or 2 young players along with a roster player and/or picks to acquire a legitimate top-line scorer who happen to also be YOUNG. This ridiculous overvaluing of our drafted players is truly reaching levels of absurdity that I thought only Leaf fans could reach. Wow.
As Ed MacMahon used to say to Carson on the tonite show,
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You Are Correct Sir."

It really is laughable at best when some of our fans fixate on Thomas potting 50+ in Jrs or St. Croix's production last year, etcetera and so on. They also think Del Zaster was a better pick than Carlson and Eberle or even Ennis and the Flyers lucked into Giroux because we picked the highly rated Bobby Sangs.

Really amusing, ain't it?

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05-30-2012, 02:50 PM
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Anisimov was almost a hero. That break would have been a sweet goal and a 3-2 lead had Brodeur not sticked it away.

Kid has some moves he's just a little inconsistent. He's perfect for our third line IMO. Unless he's package in a deal (for example if Chicago actually send us Sharp for Ani and Duby) then i'm down. But other than that, I'm happy keeping him around.

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Does this deal work?

NY RANGERS GET:

Patrick Sharp C/W


Dave Bolland C


Chicago Blackhawks Get:

Brandon Dubinsky C/W
Artem Anisimov c/w
Not a chance.

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05-30-2012, 02:52 PM
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I think Chicago says no IMO. I would think we would have to add more to snag a package including Sharp.

More like picks/prospects? Or NHL level player?

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05-30-2012, 02:54 PM
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As Ed MacMahon used to say to Carson on the tonite show,
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You Are Correct Sir."

It really is laughable at best when some of our fans fixate on Thomas potting 50+ in Jrs or St. Croix's production last year, etcetera and so on. They also think Del Zaster was a better pick than Carlson and Eberle or even Ennis and the Flyers lucked into Giroux because we picked the highly rated Bobby Sangs.

Really amusing, ain't it?
I think you're over exaggerating Del Zotto's poor play against NJ. He was bad, but his season was terrific. He is what he is. Developing into a 50 point defenseman who plays solid on the back end and has an occasional gaffe. For NYR's style, he's a better fit than Carlson. We have shutdown D in McDonagh, Girardi and Staal. Obviously Eberle would be awesome to have and he's already a star in this league, but the Del Zotto pick was more than fine with me.

Also, St. Croix looks like he has nice potential. Could be a late round pick with some upside. Those do exist, you know, like Carl Hagelin. I'd include him in a deal for a Ryan or Iginla or Nash, but don't be so quick to dismiss him. Kid looks like he can play.

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05-30-2012, 03:07 PM
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Does this deal work?

NY RANGERS GET:

Patrick Sharp C/W


Dave Bolland C


Chicago Blackhawks Get:

Brandon Dubinsky C/W
Artem Anisimov c/w

Nevermind this proposal, I don't pay much attention to Western Conference hockey I didn't realize Sharp had almost 70 points. If this were someone else's trade proposal I would laugh at it.

I am going to go sit for 2 and feel shame, now.

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05-30-2012, 03:11 PM
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Does this deal work?

NY RANGERS GET:

Patrick Sharp C/W


Dave Bolland C


Chicago Blackhawks Get:

Brandon Dubinsky C/W
Artem Anisimov c/w
Much worse than the original deal you proposed.

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Ryan Suter. Here is your suitcase of money.

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The Rangers aren't giving up McDonagh or Kreider for Nash. Stepan and Staal are likely off limits as well. They may have softened on Del Zotto, but I doubt it. Unless Howson gives in, or Sather has a card he hasn't played yet, I think Nash to NY is destined to fail.

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As Ed MacMahon used to say to Carson on the tonite show,
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You Are Correct Sir."

It really is laughable at best when some of our fans fixate on Thomas potting 50+ in Jrs or St. Croix's production last year, etcetera and so on. They also think Del Zaster was a better pick than Carlson and Eberle or even Ennis and the Flyers lucked into Giroux because we picked the highly rated Bobby Sangs.

Really amusing, ain't it?
Same as the people who think trading for or signing a star Vet means he will come here and put up the same numbers he did with his past team.

But thinking a 21 year old defensman won't improve his game is just a lack of understanding on how young players progress. Giving up on him could very well come back and bite you in the ass, especially when he can put up 40 plus points a year

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05-30-2012, 03:23 PM
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The Rangers aren't giving up McDonagh or Kreider for Nash. Stepan and Staal are likely off limits as well. They may have softened on Del Zotto, but I doubt it. Unless Howson gives in, or Sather has a card he hasn't played yet, I think Nash to NY is destined to fail.
I agree. I think if we were gonna do something stupid for Nash, we would've done it already.

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05-30-2012, 03:33 PM
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I think you're over exaggerating Del Zotto's poor play against NJ. He was bad, but his season was terrific. He is what he is. Developing into a 50 point defenseman who plays solid on the back end and has an occasional gaffe. For NYR's style, he's a better fit than Carlson. We have shutdown D in McDonagh, Girardi and Staal. Obviously Eberle would be awesome to have and he's already a star in this league, but the Del Zotto pick was more than fine with me.

Also, St. Croix looks like he has nice potential. Could be a late round pick with some upside. Those do exist, you know, like Carl Hagelin. I'd include him in a deal for a Ryan or Iginla or Nash, but don't be so quick to dismiss him. Kid looks like he can play.
Sorry, I tend to get carried away sometimes. My biggest concern with MDZ is his lack of awareness on the ice in the "D" zone, poor positioning and terrible reads. He has terrific talent but I don't get the feeling he'll max it out going forward. That being said, guess I would still keep him!
Gabby? Hated him from day #1 and I don't really give a crap how many goals he scores in the regular season but we're stuck with him too because no team in their right mind is gonna take his overblown contract.

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Underrated signing right there
I'd love to see us hit the Jack Pot on a "came from no where" player like this. The Dan Girardi version of a forward basically.

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