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05-30-2012, 02:43 PM
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Anisimov gets some serious hate for guy who's just 24 years old. There is still a very good chance this kid puts it all together as consistent 50ish point player.

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05-30-2012, 02:47 PM
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The Rangers aren't giving up McDonagh or Kreider for Nash. Stepan and Staal are likely off limits as well. They may have softened on Del Zotto, but I doubt it. Unless Howson gives in, or Sather has a card he hasn't played yet, I think Nash to NY is destined to fail.
I was thinking maybe Howson agrees to Sather's final offer from the trade deadline. I think it was Dubinsky, Miller, Erixon, Thomas and a 1st

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Nash's Cap hit is 7.8 million over the next 6 years. You'd have 4 players (Hank (6.875), Gaborik (7.5), Richards (6.666), and Nash (7.8)) with large cap hits. That is 29 out of 64.3 in terms of cap room. It's nearly 45% of the teams cap locked up in 4 players and it will be the case for the following two seasons. That cap will most likely not go up either. So, people are willing to do something similar to Chicago? Break the bank and make the window to win the Cup much shorter and run the risk of losing a McDonagh and Stepan through offer sheets because the team will not be able to keep them with the cap situation?

I'm all for getting Nash/Parise if there is cap to keep our good, young players, and be able to afford our players that are worth keeping long term.

I don't want to deal Anisimov. There are too many positives to his game that help this team win. You'd have to find another 3rd line center to replace him and I know a lot of people won't like this, but it will most likely be Boyle on the 3rd line if Anisimov is traded. It'll cost more to sign someone to play in Anisimov's spot than to keep him. Dubi is in the same boat. He does a lot of good, but the major negative is his 4.2 cap hit. I think he'll turn it around next season. I remember Cally had a breakout one season and fell back the next year. People wanted him out or thought he was just another 3rd liner. Look where he is now. I'm expecting a better season from Dubi. If you can save cap and get a similar player to Dubi, you do it. I don't think too many teams would be willing to do that.

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05-30-2012, 02:56 PM
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Torts said the Rangers need more depth beyond their top 4 on D. They need more offensive depth upfront.

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The Rangers aren't giving up McDonagh or Kreider for Nash. Stepan and Staal are likely off limits as well. They may have softened on Del Zotto, but I doubt it. Unless Howson gives in, or Sather has a card he hasn't played yet, I think Nash to NY is destined to fail.
I hope not.

Would be a colossal mistake to give up on him this early. Bad postseason, sure, but it was his 1st, and he's only 21. I hope Nash to NY fails. Don't want him AT ALL.

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05-30-2012, 03:06 PM
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Yes. But keep Stepan.
I agree, we need to keep our 2nd line C.

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Pat Kane on the Market?

This has been going on for the past few months, even when Patrick Kane had the cab incident in Buffalo a few years ago, but if available would you make an attempt to trade for him if your the rangers, and what would you give up?

Id start with...

Gaborik, Anisimov, 2012 1st (starting point)

Sign Parise if possible (reasonable cap Hit)!


make lines as follow:

Kreider Richards Kane

Parise/X Stepan Callahan

Dubi Boyle Hagelin

Rup Mitchell Prust

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05-30-2012, 03:13 PM
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Kane would probably kill himself in NYC.

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05-30-2012, 03:16 PM
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This has been going on for the past few months, even when Patrick Kane had the cab incident in Buffalo a few years ago, but if available would you make an attempt to trade for him if your the rangers, and what would you give up?

Id start with...

Gaborik, Anisimov, 2012 1st (starting point)

Sign Parise if possible (reasonable cap Hit)!


make lines as follow:

Kreider Richards Kane

Parise/X Stepan Callahan

Dubi Boyle Hagelin

Rup Mitchell Prust
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Pat Kane + New York = Hockey's version of Charlie Sheen.

Not sure if the Cabby Union would approve of this.

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05-30-2012, 03:21 PM
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BTW, really impressed our offseason talk has gotten this far already.

Best fans in the NHL don't miss a beat after getting knocked out
When half of the conversation is bashing MDZ and Anisimov and the rest of our roster, I have to disagree with you here. Don't really sound like great fans when we're shipping out half of our team in every other post.

Not much more of this I can take. Times like this make me miss the OT thread, I love you guys but...some of these proposals...

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I would love to make a trade for Bobby Ryan with something like Dubinsky, Hagelin, Erixon, 1st rd pick, and than sign Gaustad. In my opinion, offense and a face-off specialist were 2 things we lacked in the post season. Those 2 moves would fix both. Ryan is a legit finisher, and Gaustad is exceptional on face-offs (60.1%). and than find someone to replace Hagelin's production

Ryan-Richards-Kreider
Gaborik-Stepan-Callahan
Anisimov-Gaustad-?
Rupp-Boyle-Prust

Girardi/McD
Staal/Mdz

Biron
Hank

and that whatever else to fill out the 3rd line

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05-30-2012, 03:29 PM
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I was thinking maybe Howson agrees to Sather's final offer from the trade deadline. I think it was Dubinsky, Miller, Erixon, Thomas and a 1st
That's a ton of depth to give up. You've basically wiped out 3 of the 5 top prospects in the system with one trade, and also dealt away a pick that would help you replace that prospect depth.

It's a slippery slope. You need guys like Nash who can take over a game, but with big talent comes big salary. To counter that, you need kids on ELC's to make an impact. Dealing away 3 potential impact players for one proven one is a tough pill to swallow. While those three players may never be on the level that Nash is, the sum of their parts could be superior.

I suppose they could recoup those assets by trading Gaborik -- who would almost certainly be gone before his contract expired -- but you'll never get as much for Gaborik as you gave up in that Nash trade.

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I hope not.

Would be a colossal mistake to give up on him this early. Bad postseason, sure, but it was his 1st, and he's only 21. I hope Nash to NY fails. Don't want him AT ALL.
Like I said, I don't think they'll give up on him, but I guess I wouldn't be shocked if they did.

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05-30-2012, 03:35 PM
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That's a ton of depth to give up. You've basically wiped out 3 of the 5 top prospects in the system with one trade, and also dealt away a pick that would help you replace that prospect depth.
Oh yeah i agree it's a lot to give regardless. I mean, Nash would be amazing here and i think his production would improve being on a line with Richards or even Stepan but I was more or less saying that if Torts is going to be talking trade with Howson...that would most likely be the deal. IMO.

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I still cant see Howson not wanting Kreider in a Nash deal. He might back off from the over the top deadline demands, but he will still want a lot. Look at how much he gave up for Jeff Carter. Look at what the Kings gave up for Mike Richards. I'm sure he wants a similiar package for Nash.

IMO Nash doesn't have any leverage. Even if he is unhappy he cant do anything about it. With that contract he signed he is stuck there.

I still think a team like San Jose will get Nash. They are probably looking to change their roster.

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Rangers are a young team, I have no problem giving up prospects and draft picks mostly in a Nash deal. I would be all over that. Rangers weren't worried last year picking up the salary so I'm not worried either.

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I still cant see Howson not wanting Kreider in a Nash deal. He might back off from the over the top deadline demands, but he will still want a lot. Look at how much he gave up for Jeff Carter. Look at what the Kings gave up for Mike Richards. I'm sure he wants a similiar package for Nash.

IMO Nash doesn't have any leverage. Even if he is unhappy he cant do anything about it. With that contract he signed he is stuck there.

I still think a team like San Jose will get Nash. They are probably looking to change their roster.
I don't see any way the Sharks give up Pavelski in a deal for Nash.

Hell, if the Sharks want to give up Pavelski and overhaul their roster, I'll take him.

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05-30-2012, 03:42 PM
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I still cant see Howson not wanting Kreider in a Nash deal. He might back off from the over the top deadline demands, but he will still want a lot. Look at how much he gave up for Jeff Carter. Look at what the Kings gave up for Mike Richards. I'm sure he wants a similiar package for Nash.

IMO Nash doesn't have any leverage. Even if he is unhappy he cant do anything about it. With that contract he signed he is stuck there.

I still think a team like San Jose will get Nash. They are probably looking to change their roster.
The things is, if Sather wasn't giving up Kreider at the deadline there is no way he gives him up now.

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Sorry, I tend to get carried away sometimes. My biggest concern with MDZ is his lack of awareness on the ice in the "D" zone, poor positioning and terrible reads. He has terrific talent but I don't get the feeling he'll max it out going forward. That being said, guess I would still keep him!
Gabby? Hated him from day #1 and I don't really give a crap how many goals he scores in the regular season but we're stuck with him too because no team in their right mind is gonna take his overblown contract.
Lmao, no one would take Gaborik?

40 plus goal scorer with 2 yrs left on his contract? Someone would EASILY take him..

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This has been going on for the past few months, even when Patrick Kane had the cab incident in Buffalo a few years ago, but if available would you make an attempt to trade for him if your the rangers, and what would you give up?

Id start with...

Gaborik, Anisimov, 2012 1st (starting point)

Sign Parise if possible (reasonable cap Hit)!


make lines as follow:

Kreider Richards Kane

Parise/X Stepan Callahan

Dubi Boyle Hagelin

Rup Mitchell Prust
Personally I think we downgrade by trading Gaborik + Anisimov + a 1st rd (starting point) for Kane. Kane is not a better goal scorer than Gaborik and he costs close to the same (6m cap hit). So if we are going to just add another salary, why not keep Gaborik and just sign Parise?

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Who do you prefer to be Lundqvist's backup next season?

Who would you prefer to back Henrik Lundqvist next season? I know Biron is going to be a free agent but would you rather they resign him or any of thse guys below:

Other possibilities (all Free Agents)

Niittymaki
Leighton
Clemmensen
C. Mason
Ellis
Vokoun (Heard he is going Toronto)
Gustavasson
Auld
Emery
Montoya
J. Harding
C. Sanford
B. Johnson
D. Roloson (guy should retire)
Dan Ellis
Ty Conklin

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Am I the only one who feels Nash would be a huge disappointment here?

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Who would you prefer to back Henrik Lundqvist next season? I know Biron is going to be a free agent but would you rather they resign him or any of thse guys below:

Other possibilities (all Free Agents)

Niittymaki
Leighton
Clemmensen
C. Mason
Ellis
Vokoun (Heard he is going Toronto)
Gustavasson
Auld
Emery
Montoya
J. Harding
C. Sanford
B. Johnson
D. Roloson (guy should retire)
Dan Ellis
Ty Conklin
I dont have any problem with keeping Biron.

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I'm 99% sure the Rangers will re-sign Biron. He comfortable with his role, does the job when needed and cheap. It's the easiest signing this season.

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Am I the only one who feels Nash would be a huge disappointment here?
I don't think anyone can discount the possibility, and given the cap hit and probable asset cost, it's just not worth it. For Nash to be a good buy, he can't just produce like he has up to this point in his career, but actually has to improve. As horrible as the Columbus situation has been, I just can't see that happening.

Acquiring Nash simply fails a cost-benefit analysis unless the trade demands drop dramatically. The potential of it working out and him succeeding here is simply outweighed by the risk of it not, imo. Even if the price is the rumored offer (Dubinsky + Erixon + Miller + Thomas + 1st).

I would rather go into next season with no major moves and smaller tweaks than see Nash brought in for the rumored offer price (let alone more). Of course, I'd prefer bringing in Parise on a front-loaded, cap circumvention deal over both of those scenarios.

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