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05-30-2012, 09:36 PM
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Oh so they weren't mediocre this last half of the regular/post-season? Winning 1 game is definitely not mediocre.
Because of course, Lidstrom was the only player they were missing, and they played much better when he was back in the post-season.

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05-30-2012, 09:37 PM
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I've loved the Wings all my life but they've never had to go through losing a player THIS good. If you think Suter(if he comes here) will fill the hole, you're being a homer.
if Suter came here it would actually be an improvement over what Lidstrom was this year

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if Suter came here it would actually be an improvement over what Lidstrom was this year
Don't think I'd call it an improvement, but it wouldn't be a huge loss. Lidstrom was still one of the best in the league, but he was a shadow of what he was 5-7 years ago.

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Because of course, Lidstrom was the only player they were missing, and they played much better when he was back in the post-season.
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Don't think I'd call it an improvement, but it wouldn't be a huge loss. Lidstrom was still one of the best in the league, but he was a shadow of what he was 5-7 years ago.
You're right. Forgive me for thinking that losing Lidstrom(even if he was a shell of his former self) will hurt the team. The team that was abysmal towards the end of the season. Shame on me.

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05-30-2012, 09:44 PM
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You're right. Forgive me for thinking that losing Lidstrom(even if he was a shell of his former self) will hurt the team. The team that was abysmal towards the end of the season. Shame on me.
I don't think anybody here said it wouldn't hurt the team.

I said it wouldn't make them a non-playoff team.

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05-30-2012, 09:53 PM
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Suter to Detroit, make it happen.

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You have to get suter, because having Kronwall as your best defenseman is a good way to give up a lot of goals fast.

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You have to get suter, because having Kronwall as your best defenseman is a good way to give up a lot of goals fast.
Kronwall isn't bad.

It's the rest of the squad that scares me.

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If you think losing one player is gonna instantly propel them into mediocrity you're an idiot.
Yea, not like losing the best the best defensemen of his generation is a big loss or anything.

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I've loved the Wings all my life but they've never had to go through losing a player THIS good. If you think Suter(if he comes here) will fill the hole, you're being a homer.
Oh I don't know, they lost Konstantinov and Yzerman and heck, Fedorov.
They might not have been Lidstrom but they probably all classified as at least close to "this good"

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Kronwall isn't bad.

It's the rest of the squad that scares me.
He's alright, but he makes too many mistakes in the defensive zone to be a top level defender. Stuart is a more important piece, if Kronwall stays and Stuart goes, the Wings defense has to bring in some top level guys.

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05-30-2012, 09:59 PM
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I go in the corner and cry.
Kronwall is the only semi-responsible defenseman.
Quincey and Kindl are very turnover prone, and less so Ericsson.
Smith seemed good.
How will White end up with probably a irresponsible defense partner?
They need to sign at least 1 defenseman.

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05-30-2012, 10:05 PM
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He's alright, but he makes too many mistakes in the defensive zone to be a top level defender. Stuart is a more important piece, if Kronwall stays and Stuart goes, the Wings defense has to bring in some top level guys.
Kronwall is already signed for seven years and Stuart is 95% chance gone.

Also, Stuart is good for shot-blocking and hitting, and that's pretty much where my personal opinion of his talent stops. He was terrible in the Nashville series, it was like watching everything that is bad about him on steroids.

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05-30-2012, 10:32 PM
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I've loved the Wings all my life but they've never had to go through losing a player THIS good. If you think Suter(if he comes here) will fill the hole, you're being a homer.
The thing is that we're not losing Lidstrom of 10 years ago, we're not even losing a Lidstrom of the 07-09 runs we are losing a Lidstrom that is 42 years old. While difficult to replace it is not "Homerish" to think that a defenceman of Suter's elk could replace what Lidstrom offered this year. Lidstrom had clearly lost a step this year and while still an okay #1 he played at times like a #2/3 and made mistakes that you expect from a 42 year old.

There's only so much one could expect from a 42 year old, even if he is a top 5/6 Dman of all time, and in this point in his career his on ice contributions are definitely replaceable it's the leadership & poise he brings that will be much, much harder to replace.

As for next year I think that Holland & Co will offer Suter a 8-12 year deal worth 60M- 85M, maybe even going up to around 90M or even 100M if Illitch feels he wants to see another wings championship before his time comes. Then we go hard after Pairse/Semin and the rest is history?

If we don't get Suter I think we try to sign a stop gap guy and look at the trade market for a #1/2. I expect to see a very active July/August on the trade front, and if all else fails we can look forward to having Nathan Mackinnon/Seth Jones/Alexander Barkov on our team in 2013.

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Almost as quickly as they did when Yzerman retired.
History has shown us that the wings play terrible with out Lidstrom.

ps. Suter is good, but he can't replace Lidstrom.

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The true decline of Detroit has officially began.

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History has shown us that the wings play terrible with out Lidstrom.

ps. Suter is good, but he can't replace Lidstrom.
But is that really a fair stat to use? Lidstrom has only missed 76 games in his career (39 came in the 94-95 season) so excluding that year he has missed on average 2 games a season. I think most teams would look a little lost when they don't have their #1 guy in the lineup.

Had Lidstrom been out for 3/4 of a year ala Brouder a couple of years ago we would have an idea of what to expect but because he's missed so few games in the later part of his career we have no idea what to expect. Personally think we would see some shaky games at first but after a while the team would find it's groove and they would settle into a 5-8 seed.

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The true decline of Detroit has officially began.
They will still make the playoffs.

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History has shown us that the wings play terrible with out Lidstrom.

ps. Suter is good, but he can't replace Lidstrom.
He can't replace the 07/08 Lidstrom that helped us win the cup, but he can replace the 11/12 Lidstrom. Wings obviously need more than Suter, especially offensively, to turn into a legit contender again. It would be a start.

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Suter, Parise, Schultz ----> Cup

That is where they go from here

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Kronwall isn't bad.

It's the rest of the squad that scares me.
Kronwall is good, but he's not a shutdown player and he makes too many mistakes in his own zone to be considered a true #1. I love what I've seen from Smith so far and I'd go so far as to say he could go into the year comfortably being a #4. Then you have some combination of Quincey, Ericsson, and Kindl as your #5, #6, and #7. White is a #4-#5 who will be forced into a top-3 role. Basically if the Wings don't get Suter they are royally ****ed.

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They will still make the playoffs.
But do you honestly see this year's squad, minus Lidstrom and plus Suter, another year older, being a real contender? I know Holland hates trading, but I honestly think they need a real trade, not necessarily a blockbuster, but something more than a first for Kyle Quincey, to upgrade the team.

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They will still make the playoffs.
Maybe. But Not before Jimmy Howard gets exposed for what he really is.

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Maybe. But Not before Jimmy Howard gets exposed for what he really is.
He had his best season of his career this year and was a Vezina candidate before his injury.

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Maybe. But Not before Jimmy Howard gets exposed for what he really is.
What's that, a good goalie?

Oh and people, please shut the hell up about how "this guy can't replace Lidstrom." Nobody can "replace" Lidstrom, that doesn't mean you don't go after guys to benefit the team in another way.

And whether people want to admit it or not, the Lidstrom of the last year or two was a very mortal player. Watch how many times he had to hook and hold Toews because he'd get behind him. He was still a great defenseman, but not the by-far greatest he was in the years before.

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Haven't read through all the posts, but I assume the consensus is sign Suter. I expect them to take a big run at him and ultimately sign him to a nice hefty contract. I also think they will end up with Alexander Semin too.

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