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I really don't think the Habs should do that. Subban is at worst a #2 right now, but in my opinion he's a #1. Played tough minutes and came out ahead, plus good offensive production.
I think it's a pretty clear no for Montreal here. MDZ is a good player, but he's got a long long way to go defensively. People often criticize Karlsson for his defense but it honestly felt like MDZ made more mistakes these playoffs then Karlsson did all year. And I'm not hating on the Rags, McDonagh blew me away with how good he is, he's going to be a clear-cut #1 defenseman for a long time, Staal was oustanding at both ends of the ice, and Girardi was a rock defensively (though less so than McD).
Subban is just a better version of MDZ with a slightly diluted offensive flare, but with the other aspects of his game much stronger (though he's older).
I think Rupp is basically a non-factor in terms of fixing the trade value - though I very much understand and appreciate his importance and value in the minds of the New York Rangers.
Dubi is nice to have as well, but I'm not sure that fixes the value to where it needs to be.
I think the value is close, but MTL doesn't do this.
Too much money, and Subban fits more of what MTL needs, a strong two way defender that eats up minutes. The more minutes he plays the better the guys is, I think he is more focused that way, he even said it himself I believe.
The timing isn't good on Dubinsky from the Habs' perspective. His season was pretty rough considering the contract. If it wasn't for that, well, the downgrade from Subban to Del Zotto *might* have been tolerable, if we were also getting a bigger tougher top-6 forward and the tough bottom-6 forward in Rupp thrown in, which are a couple of things we need pretty badly. But as of now, I'd pass from the Habs' POV. Subban is just too good to trade in a deal that carries question marks in the return.
The timing isn't good on Dubinsky from the Habs' perspective. His season was pretty rough considering the contract. If it wasn't for that, well, the downgrade from Subban to Del Zotto *might* have been tolerable, if we were also getting a bigger tougher top-6 forward and the tough bottom-6 forward in Rupp thrown in, which are a couple of things we need pretty badly. But as of now, I'd pass from the Habs' POV. Subban is just too good to trade in a deal that carries question marks in the return.
Agreed, not a good timing especially considering we just picked up another underachiever in Rene Bourque. Not a good time to take on Dubinsky's contract unless the Habs can get rid of Bourque or Gomez which i'm sure the Rangers want no part of
Bergevin says: NOPE
you already have one of our ****ing young franchise dmen.
for this to ever happen again, think massive overpayment.
it's not happening
I think Del Zotto is a better defender than Subban at this point, and there's no way I'm giving up Del Zotto AND Dubinsky just to upgrade a point shot. Subban has not impressed me at all. Del Zotto took tremendous steps to get better in his own zone, makes a far better outlet pass, and is a much smoother skater, plus he's younger and bigger and plays with the same kind of mean streak, minus the dirtbag plays that Subban gets away with.
I think Del Zotto is a better defender than Subban at this point, and there's no way I'm giving up Del Zotto AND Dubinsky just to upgrade a point shot. Subban has not impressed me at all. Del Zotto took tremendous steps to get better in his own zone, makes a far better outlet pass, and is a much smoother skater, plus he's younger and bigger and plays with the same kind of mean streak, minus the dirtbag plays that Subban gets away with.
I was leaning to yes, and then I read this^.
Pass.
I think Del Zotto is a better defender than Subban at this point, and there's no way I'm giving up Del Zotto AND Dubinsky just to upgrade a point shot. Subban has not impressed me at all. Del Zotto took tremendous steps to get better in his own zone, makes a far better outlet pass, and is a much smoother skater, plus he's younger and bigger and plays with the same kind of mean streak, minus the dirtbag plays that Subban gets away with.
I agree somewhat.
What we couldn't look past is Subban's handedness.
The fact that he plays right lets us play a condensed top 4 rather than pairing Stralman with Staal and MDZ with Bickel. Also MDZ looks absolutely awful on the right side.
That being said, I wouldn't do this trade. I'd only consider a 1 for 1 swap.
I really don't think the Habs should do that. Subban is at worst a #2 right now, but in my opinion he's a #1. Played tough minutes and came out ahead, plus good offensive production.
Subban is neither right now. He's a 2nd pairing guy on most teams. However he has the potential to be a top pairing guy as he matures, and becomes better in his own end.
But the bigger question is why does Montreal do this trade? There's absolutely nothing beneficial to them. Subban (as much as I dislike him for his slewfooting and antics), is better than MDZ, both currently and in potential. And the rest of the parts don't make any compelling reason to go from Subban to MDZ.
