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05-31-2012, 10:33 AM
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To Rangers: Gunnarsson and Kessel

To Toronto: Del Zotto and Gaborik.


Gaborik is a steady 40 goalscorer who has put up great numbers in 2 defensive teams(Rangers and Minnesota), he'd be real nice to watch in Toronto's run and gun style of play. Del Zotto is a young PMD he had a great year.

Since Kessel's caphit is lower and he is younger than Gaborik, so I threw Del Zotto in the mix to try to balance it out.


Thoughts?


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Leafs have switched from run-and-gun to a more defensive game with the hiring of Carlyle.

Also, they would say no to this trade.

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To Rangers: Gunnarsson and Kessel

To Toronto: Del Zotto and Gaborik.


Gaborik is a steady 40 goalscorer who has put up great numbers in 2 defensive teams(Rangers and Minnesota), he'd be real nice to watch in Toronto's run and gun style of play. Del Zotto is a young PMD he had a great year.

Since Kessel's caphit is lower and he is younger than Gaborik, so I threw Del Zotto in the mix to try to balance it out.


Thoughts?
The (slight) upgrade from Gunnarsson to MDZ is no where near enough to make up for the six-year age difference between Kessel and Gaborik (who produced at a similar level this year).

There's not sufficient incentive for Toronto.

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To Rangers: Gunnarsson and Kessel

To Toronto: Del Zotto and Gaborik.


Gaborik is a steady 40 goalscorer who has put up great numbers in 2 defensive teams(Rangers and Minnesota), he'd be real nice to watch in Toronto's run and gun style of play. Del Zotto is a young PMD he had a great year.

Since Kessel's caphit is lower and he is younger than Gaborik, so I threw Del Zotto in the mix to try to balance it out.


Thoughts?
The offer could have been much worse.

Fact, I think Kessel is a more valuable player overall than Gaborik. He's more durable and a far better creator than Gaborik is. He also makes less money.

Also fact, Gunnarson is a steady two-way defenseman and while Del Zotto is a solid young D-man too, I don't think the upgrade is nearly enough for us to justify this trade.

Leafs lose on this one.

And Torts loves his teams balls just the way they are.

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Wouldn't move Kessel for a slight upgrade to Gunnar.

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The offer is pretty good value wise, but no chance the Leafs do this.

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Well, Kessel > Gaborik.

6 years younger, $2M cheaper, a lot more durable (Gaborik has been fairly injury prone in his career).

MDZ > Gunnarsson

MDZ is a little younger, better puck mover and generally has a higher ceiling.


It's not an entirely awful deal or anything but the slight upgrade from Gunnar to MDZ doesn't warrant the "downgrade" from Kessel to Gaborik. And even if Gabs is a slightly better player (I'd say he is), the other factors (age, salary, durability, etc) increase Kessel value.

Either way, I wouldn't do it.

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05-31-2012, 10:55 AM
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if MDZ is available we could work on something like a Gunnar + type of deal. Leave Kessel and Gaborik out of it

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Okay, so... Kessel + Gunnarsson for Gaborik + MDZ + 2012 1st? It's a late first, but you can still found solid players late in the draft. Stepan, Callahan, Lundqvist etc are all later picks.

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if MDZ is available we could work on something like a Gunnar + type of deal. Leave Kessel and Gaborik out of it
Nah, pass. I only included him since I wanted Kessel. Del Zotto would only be traded as a package for a star like Kessel or he would get traded for a better player than Gunnar (with all due respect).

Rangers have no incentive in moving MDZ, so unless a player like Kessel is coming back we're keeping him (btw not suggesting MDZ straight up for Kessel...).

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05-31-2012, 11:03 AM
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Okay, so... Kessel + Gunnarsson for Gaborik + MDZ + 2012 1st? It's a late first, but you can still found solid players late in the draft. Stepan, Callahan, Lundqvist etc are all later picks.
No, we're still not interested.

Doesn't do it for us. Doesn't make us better now, and doesn't look like it'll make us better in the future.

We have solid D-men in the minors that are ready to break-in like Stu Percy, Korbinian Holzer, Jesse Blacker etc.

Stu Percy and Jesse Blacker both project to be top 4 defensemen. Holzer projects as a very dependable number 5.

An upgrade at D is not our top priority.

We need a better forward group overall and we need to add to Kessel.

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The value in the OP is fine... but Kessel is a stud and signed to a good deal so the Leafs would likely pass. I like Gaborik (fun to watch when healthy) but the Leafs really need a top line center and should focus on that this offseason rather than just shuffling the deck chairs.

Having said that.. I'd be interested in hearing what the Leafs would have to add to Kessel to get Gaborik and Stepan.

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Well, Kessel > Gaborik.

6 years younger, $2M cheaper, a lot more durable (Gaborik has been fairly injury prone in his career).

MDZ > Gunnarsson

MDZ is a little younger, better puck mover and generally has a higher ceiling.


It's not an entirely awful deal or anything but the slight upgrade from Gunnar to MDZ doesn't warrant the "downgrade" from Kessel to Gaborik. And even if Gabs is a slightly better player (I'd say he is), the other factors (age, salary, durability, etc) increase Kessel value.

Either way, I wouldn't do it.
This^ says it best.
Also, acknowledging these differences, Kes for Gabs is still basically Coke for Pepsi. Maybe it's cherry flavored coke for vanilla pepsi and you have a preference, fine.
But it is not adding significant resources, it is a sniper for a sniper, both with similar output.

Better question might be Richards + X for Kessel + Y, assuming there is player agreement to move.
That way leafs get benefit of great playmaking 2 way C and Rangers obtain another sniper, which is what they really need.

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leafs live and die by Kessel.
They gave the world for him. There is no way they trade him
Also considering where they are right now development wise, trading for a guy who is 30 makes absolutely no sense...

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Having said that.. I'd be interested in hearing what the Leafs would have to add to Kessel to get Gaborik and Stepan.
I don't think they would do that.

They might put together a package for Stepan to play with Kessel.

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Okay, so... Kessel + Gunnarsson for Gaborik + MDZ + 2012 1st? It's a late first, but you can still found solid players late in the draft. Stepan, Callahan, Lundqvist etc are all later picks.
Kessel is the Leafs best player. They simply aren't interested in trading him unless the player returning is even better.

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This^ says it best.
Also, acknowledging these differences, Kes for Gabs is still basically Coke for Pepsi. Maybe it's cherry flavored coke for vanilla pepsi and you have a preference, fine.
But it is not adding significant resources, it is a sniper for a sniper, both with similar output.

Better question might be Richards + X for Kessel + Y, assuming there is player agreement to move.
That way leafs get benefit of great playmaking 2 way C and Rangers obtain another sniper, which is what they really need.
Richards says HAI I have a NMC.

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With Gaborik's injury history it would be a risk the Leafs would take on. The deal is not overly bad, it's just Burke would not trade Kessel unless its a big upgrade in a couple of key positions. Swapping Kessel and Gaborik is a lateral move and this deal would only upgrade the defense slightly with MDZ.

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Kessel is the Leafs best player. They simply aren't interested in trading him unless the player returning is even better.
I complete understand. You guys have spent 2 years hearing about how you gave up way too much, and now he's playing well. The Leafs gave up a lot for the guy and frankly I think the likelihood of them trading him in the next three years is more unlikely than Mike Komisarek getting a raise on his next contract.

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MDZ sucks and Gaborik is injury prone. No thanks.

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leafs live and die by Kessel.
They gave the world for him. There is no way they trade him
Also considering where they are right now development wise, trading for a guy who is 30 makes absolutely no sense...
Well said.

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MDZ sucks and Gaborik is injury prone. No thanks.
and this is how threads get derailed lol...

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Not really! Just ignore the ignorant remarks.

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Good value, however Del Zotto is only a slight upgrade on Gunnarsson and not enough of an incentive to give up Kessel for what basically is an injury prone, 6 year older, higher cap hit Kessel.

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Kessel is better than Gaborik, no go.

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offer isnt bad i just dont want to give up kessel

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