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05-31-2012, 09:37 AM
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To Chicago
P.K Subban
Thomas Plekanec

To Montreal
Patrick Kane
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Mark McNeill
1st 2012

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05-31-2012, 09:54 AM
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Seems like a lot from Chicago. IMO Kane is the best player, so Plekanec is valued then at Hjalmarsson+Mcneil+1st?

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05-31-2012, 10:00 AM
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Hawks overpay.

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CHI wont do that. Kane is the best player. Take out the 1st and its still borderline IMO

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To Chicago
P.K Subban
Thomas Plekanec

To Montreal
Patrick Kane
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Mark McNeill
1st 2012
are you a leaf fan?

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05-31-2012, 10:21 AM
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If Montreal has any intentions of going after Patrick Kane, it's cause they would want a winger for Plekanec. I don't see this working out for either team

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05-31-2012, 10:27 AM
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I wouldn't do that from the Habs POV. I don't see Kane as a huge upgrade on Plekanec in terms of overall contribution. Not enough of one to justify trading Subban for that upgrade plus the rest of the package, anyway. Subban > Hjalmarsson + McNeill + 1st + upgrade, basically. Pass.

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I wouldn't do that from the Habs POV. I don't see Kane as a huge upgrade on Plekanec in terms of overall contribution. Not enough of one to justify trading Subban for that upgrade plus the rest of the package, anyway. Subban > Hjalmarsson + McNeill + 1st + upgrade, basically. Pass.
Oh God... It's going to turn into one of those my player is better than yours thread.

Hawks get shafted, no way I do this deal.

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05-31-2012, 10:42 AM
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Oh God... It's going to turn into one of those my player is better than yours thread.
I'm thinking it's more of a "I don't value McNeill and a 1st for my team" kinds of threads. They don't add any significant weight to me when measured against the core players I'd be losing. Kane > Plekanec, Subban > Hjalmarsson, and the rest doesn't matter to me.

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I want no part of Subban.

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I want no part of Subban.
and why is that?

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Holy overpayment Batman! Chicago politely says no thanks

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Why would Chicago need Subban?

If they move Kane, I would think a forward would have to be the principle asset coming back.

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Simplify this to Hammer + 1st for PK, or Hammer + McNeil for PK and I'd be good

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Simplify this to Hammer + 1st for PK, or Hammer + McNeil for PK and I'd be good
Unless you PK = Plekanec, those are truly horrendous for Montreal.

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Brutal for Chicago.

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05-31-2012, 01:56 PM
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and why is that?
Well I cant comment on his reasoning but as a Hawk fan who doesn't like Subban here would be my reasons

-Lazy and disintrested at times
-Prone to defensive gaffe's that hurt team
-Takes some real terrible penalties

-Is honestly overated ,, Accomplish something before acting like a star

The bolded apply to Kane as well but at least I konw Kane has history of clutch play and playing key part of a great team

Haven't seen anything from Subban that makes me think "This guy is elite talent" like I have seen from Kane

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Well I cant comment on his reasoning but as a Hawk fan who doesn't like Subban here would be my reasons

-Lazy and disintrested at times
-Prone to defensive gaffe's that hurt team
-Takes some real terrible penalties

-Is honestly overated ,, Accomplish something before acting like a star

The bolded apply to Kane as well but at least I konw Kane has history of clutch play and playing key part of a great team

Haven't seen anything from Subban that makes me think "This guy is elite talent" like I have seen from Kane
I respect your opinion but your talking as though averaging close to 40 points in your first two seasons and logging the most minutes out of any dman on one of the worst teams while still being a plus 9 (this year 25+ min a night) plus being .5 ppg in the POs

You can't focus on a players negatives to make the value of the that players value dip...

Subban is a stud at the age of 23 and will only get better especially since he has the physical tools and work ethic... he may not be worth Patty Kane now or ever but it still doesn't diminish his value one bit

Hell i know patrick kane is a huge party animal .. does that mean i wouldn't want him on the habs??? HELL YA I would take that cabbie puncher on our team ANYTIME

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I respect your opinion but your talking as though averaging close to 40 points in your first two seasons and logging the most minutes out of any dman on one of the worst teams while still being a plus 9 (this year 25+ min a night) plus being .5 ppg in the POs

You can't focus on a players negatives to make the value of the that players value dip...

Subban is a stud at the age of 23 and will only get better especially since he has the physical tools and work ethic... he may not be worth Patty Kane now or ever but it still doesn't diminish his value one bit

Hell i know patrick kane is a huge party animal .. does that mean i wouldn't want him on the habs??? HELL YA I would take that cabbie puncher on our team ANYTIME
That actually plays more into my "Overated" opinion ,, Putting up pts and logging big minutes on an average team isn't that great of an judgement of a player

And for a little comparison Leddy put up nearly the same amount of pts as Subban in a lesser role for Hawks ,, So yeah the pt total Subban put up this year in alot more minutes doesn't really impress me

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05-31-2012, 02:16 PM
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That actually plays more into my "Overated" opinion ,, Putting up pts and logging big minutes on an average team isn't that great of an judgement of a player

And for a little comparison Leddy put up nearly the same amount of pts as Subban in a lesser role for Hawks ,, So yeah the pt total Subban put up this year in alot more minutes doesn't really impress me
MTL scored 212 goals while the Hawks scored 248... It would be obvious that Hawks players would put up more points

Anyways it seems i am not convincing you since judging a player on his talents and skillset no longer matter

Subban is overrated your BANG ON!

Was just trying to say that most of your observations are based on YOUR opinion...Subban is one of our hardest working players and the dumb mistakes are getting better... he is a young dman after all they play one of the toughest positions opposed to an offensive winger (it took pat kane almost five years to become a good two way player...) and thats based off one year...this one...

anyway we will agree to disagree

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If this is a joke, it's hilarious

what's next?

Pacioretty for Carcillo???

you guys make me laugh so hard

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To Chicago
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Thomas Plekanec

To Montreal
Patrick Kane
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Mark McNeill
1st 2012
I am of the opinion that the Hawks get royally screwed on this one

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Only way that I would listen to trade proposals from Chicago is if it involved Toews and/or Gomez...

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Well I cant comment on his reasoning but as a Hawk fan who doesn't like Subban here would be my reasons

-Lazy and disintrested at times
-Prone to defensive gaffe's that hurt team
-Takes some real terrible penalties

-Is honestly overated ,, Accomplish something before acting like a star

The bolded apply to Kane as well but at least I konw Kane has history of clutch play and playing key part of a great team

Haven't seen anything from Subban that makes me think "This guy is elite talent" like I have seen from Kane
While I disagree, you are well within your rights not to like any player.

As to the OP Chicago would want Plekanec as a 2nd line centre to allow Kane to shift to wing permanently and play on the top line. Also, I feel that Kane, while very talented, has maturing to do, and likely would not be a good fit in Montreal

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