I will agree we do need a better more physical d-man, which is what brings us back to the point that Hammer will be traded to upgrade and get that good #4 we're missing.
Keith-Seabrook
X-Leddy
Oduya-Montador
X being whatever is available via trade market. Possibly Matt Carle, or if anyone from Jets, Canadiens, Panthers?
I will agree we do need a better more physical d-man, which is what brings us back to the point that Hammer will be traded to upgrade and get that good #4 we're missing.
Keith-Seabrook
X-Leddy
Oduya-Montador
X being whatever is available via trade market. Possibly Matt Carle, or if anyone from Jets, Canadiens, Panthers?
If you trade Hammer there is still a need for a defensive minded d man on this team who can PK, even if you bring in another defensive minded d man.
Matt Carle is the opposite of a defensive minded d man, he's awful there.
Also, Leddy on the second pairing is a recipe for disaster.
You have Oduya on the 3rd pairing which is exactly why that signing is a fail. 3rd pairing is where he belongs but you don't pay 3rd pairing guys 3.4 million.
If you trade Hammer there is still a need for a defensive minded d man on this team who can PK, even if you bring in another defensive minded d man.
Matt Carle is the opposite of a defensive minded d man, he's awful there.
Also, Leddy on the second pairing is a recipe for disaster.
You have Oduya on the 3rd pairing which is exactly why that signing is a fail. 3rd pairing is where he belongs but you don't pay 3rd pairing guys 3.4 million.
The whole point of getting Oduya was to spread out the minutes with the pairings, not to make them staggered once again and have 2-7 shoulder the overwhelming majority of the minutes.
The whole point of getting Oduya was to spread out the minutes with the pairings, not to make them staggered once again and have 2-7 shoulder the overwhelming majority of the minutes.
There are better minute eaters on the market this July who will cost less (and a few that will cost only slightly more) than Oduya and can also PK.
The problem is, your proposed defensive make-up is relying on Q allowing for Hammer to be what you think he can be.. which, beside the fact that would likey never happen.. would risk having Hammer be the best puck-mover on a pairing. It could be very good or awful.
its hilarious how so many people in this thread write off Oduya for his bad playoff. If you write him off for his playoff play then you have to praise frolik for his playoff performance, hopefully that comparison helps shed light on the fact that you can't judge a player on such a small sample size (6 games, against a team we struggled with all year).
I think/hope that him being a part of this team from the beginning of the season allows him to feel more comfortable on our team and with his role, instead of having to adapt on the fly and learn his new teammates tendencies. Not to say that I think this was a great deal for us, I personally would have liked to see us go after schultz.. seems like he MAY LIKELY be the next Doughty/Keith. How could you not want that?
Its no coincidence we went 12-2-3 with him in our lineup, especially missing toews and keith for a bit of that period. Which poses the question.. where would we have finished if we had oduya/another pmd in the line up over SOD/Scott/Montador? if you do the math we won 70% of the reg season games with him in the line up. that translates to 57 wins or so.. not too shabby
If we didn't have Leddy, I'd go after Schultz.. but having both in the NHL (Which is where Schultz is going to be next year) would be rough to watch. At times amazing, but there's already quite a bit of growing pains with Leddy, it'd be worse if you add another rookie, though dynamic he may be.
Also, Leddy on the second pairing is a recipe for disaster.
You have Oduya on the 3rd pairing which is exactly why that signing is a fail. 3rd pairing is where he belongs but you don't pay 3rd pairing guys 3.4 million.
Having Leddy on the second pairing really isn't that bad, he got near 40pts last year. If they can find a solid partner for him he is OK on the 2nd pair. He is only going to get better defensively.
And yes, you can pay a 3rd pairing guy 3.4mil, that means the rest of your dmen are very solid..which would be the case if we find that perfect fit for Leddy.
If we didn't have Leddy, I'd go after Schultz.. but having both in the NHL (Which is where Schultz is going to be next year) would be rough to watch. At times amazing, but there's already quite a bit of growing pains with Leddy, it'd be worse if you add another rookie, though dynamic he may be.
I agree having both could at times be difficult, but from what I've read it seems like schultz is a bit better defensively than leddy, so I was pondering maybe bump nick down the 3rd pairing and sign a solid stay at home/crease clearer (assuming monty isn't ready) and for once roll all 3 d pairs and not play keith/seabs 30 mins every night. maybe rock keith and hammer, Seabs and Schultz ,and maybe something like Leddy and Allen (not sure why he gets so much flak I doubt anyone on here watches Allen play regularly).. this provides you with 4 dman who can pk and 4 who can run the pp.
I only saw one Wisconsin game this year and Schultz might as well of been a forward. From what I know about him (granted, it's not much) he seems like a high-risk, high-reward type of player. A dynamic offensive player who might try to do too much in the NHL, especially as a rookie.
hoss and seabs, what do you think of hal gill? a cheap one year deal to play on the 3rd pairing
he can't do anything with the puck, is slow and I take 09/10 Sopel over 12/13 Gill
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I will agree we do need a better more physical d-man, which is what brings us back to the point that Hammer will be traded to upgrade and get that good #4 we're missing.
Keith-Seabrook
X-Leddy
Oduya-Montador
X being whatever is available via trade market. Possibly Matt Carle, or if anyone from Jets, Canadiens, Panthers?
The Problem with this... who will be available? Who would upgrade our D now and longterm and most importantly... say we trade Hjammer for Emelin + (he would fit our team, but only as 3rd Pairing D) do we want/see Oduya as a Top4 D?
I put Oduya there over leddy because Leddy is great offensively, and will hopefully be complimented with a d-man through trade that is defensive and can be physical/pk.
Could easily switch Oduya and Leddy. Doesnt matter to me as long as Keith and Seabs can get a good restful (lol) 25 minutes a night.
he can't do anything with the puck, is slow and I take 09/10 Sopel over 12/13 Gill
The Problem with this... who will be available? Who would upgrade our D now and longterm and most importantly... say we trade Hjammer for Emelin + (he would fit our team, but only as 3rd Pairing D) do we want/see Oduya as a Top4 D?
I think we could find a better option other than Emelin. There's probably d-men out there who are on the block we're not ever aware of. No names really come to mind, but I feel Bowman would go about a d-man for d-man trade.
Keep Hammer. Will likely catch hell for this, but 1-6 there aren't many defenses as good and deep as ours. Sign a physical #7, give Olsen the first call-up.
Keep Hammer. Will likely catch hell for this, but 1-6 there aren't many defenses as good and deep as ours. Sign a physical #7, give Olsen the first call-up.
It's all about coaching.
I wouldnt mind that route either. Im not necessarily for trading Hammer, but im not against it. Hope coaching can make some serious changes for next season.
he can't do anything with the puck, is slow and I take 09/10 Sopel over 12/13 Gill
The Problem with this... who will be available? Who would upgrade our D now and longterm and most importantly... say we trade Hjammer for Emelin + (he would fit our team, but only as 3rd Pairing D) do we want/see Oduya as a Top4 D?
Except you are not asking him to be anything more than Sopel. You're pretty much asking him to block shots, kill penalties and play 10-15 minutes of effective non stupid hockey on the third pair for less than what sopel made.
Gill can do that besides he might not be a bad mentor for Olsen.
Keep Hammer. Will likely catch hell for this, but 1-6 there aren't many defenses as good and deep as ours. Sign a physical #7, give Olsen the first call-up.
It's all about coaching.
100% right. I agree with you.
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Except you are not asking him to be anything more than Sopel. You're pretty much asking him to block shots, kill penalties and play 10-15 minutes of effective non stupid hockey on the third pair for less than what sopel made.
Gill can do that besides he might not be a bad mentor for Olsen.
We need our #4/5 DMan to take minutes away from Keith & Seabrook. We also need to reduce the minutes Leddy is on the ice. Gill will not reduce the ice time for them, Oduya will.
Gill does NOTHING and is worse than Sopel was. Signing Gill over a player like Oduya would be STUPID and something to complain about.
We don't need a mentor for Olsen, we need a player that helps us win. Oduya will help us more than Gill.
