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05-31-2012, 03:10 PM
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How is dumping salary for a draft pick bad asset management?
How is signing a player for 7M just to trade him that year any good?

You would want Sather's head on a stick if this happened.

Why upset the apple cart.

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05-31-2012, 03:12 PM
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I wouldn't mind Semin on this team. He is pure offense. That's what we need. Plus he played a great two-way game against us in the playoffs.

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05-31-2012, 03:15 PM
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A guy who can put up 70 is a first line player

3rd line players don't score 30 goals (well, close enough in Cally's case)

He's a 2nd line player through and through at this point, he just needs to stay healthy
For sure,
Very rarely do you have a pure 2nd or pure 1st liner.
You want to distribute the talent.

Like currently we have 1 50 pointish guy on the top line (hags) + two 70+ point guys in Richards & Gabby,
Our 2nd line however, has 3 guys who will put between 40 and 60 points. Adding a "1st liner" there would help getting all three lines to produce...

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05-31-2012, 03:17 PM
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How is signing a player for 7M just to trade him that year any good?

You would want Sather's head on a stick if this happened.

Why upset the apple cart.
That wouldn't be the purpose. It would be a riskier signing, but there is still good chance he could improve the team offensively.

If he didn't fit, then you trade him.

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05-31-2012, 03:20 PM
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Semin would be a locker room cancer. Doesn't play our style at ALL.
Our style can be taught. Torts said as much in a recent exit interview earlier this week. He said that we could work with players that can offer us something we dont currently have and help bring them up to speed in our system. He said we can't "box ourselves in".

I read that to mean that he is open to working with offensively talented players. I think we play our style more so because of the lack of scoring talent on the team.

Semin may not be my first choice, but he's a true 30+ goal scorer
and we don't have too many of those. If other options fail, I'd feel alot better with Semin joining our roster than David Jones.

*what actual evidence do you have that Semin is a lockeroom cancer?

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05-31-2012, 03:20 PM
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For sure,
Very rarely do you have a pure 2nd or pure 1st liner.
You want to distribute the talent.

Like currently we have 1 50 pointish guy on the top line (hags) + two 70+ point guys in Richards & Gabby,
Our 2nd line however, has 3 guys who will put between 40 and 60 points. Adding a "1st liner" there would help getting all three lines to produce...
You play whoever has chemistry. If our second line is going to include Krieder and Stepan. Then Callahan does not mix on that line. If you want to replace Stepan with someone else, fine.

But my guess is that Stepan and Krieder are going to be joined at the hip in hopes that both will graduate to first line duties someday. Callahan is the odd man out on that line. Cally does not mix well with creative offensive players.


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05-31-2012, 03:22 PM
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That wouldn't be the purpose. It would be a riskier signing, but there is still good chance he could improve the team offensively.

If he didn't fit, then you trade him.

He's a square peg, the Ranger are a hole.

Pretty simple.

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05-31-2012, 03:23 PM
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He's a square peg, the Ranger are a hole.

Pretty simple.
if a square peg = scoring and a hole = lack of scoring you'd be correct.

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05-31-2012, 03:38 PM
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Also, we took a risk with Gaborik. We might as well take a risk with Semin. There's not a lot of risk anyway.

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05-31-2012, 05:13 PM
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Also, we took a risk with Gaborik. We might as well take a risk with Semin. There's not a lot of risk anyway.
Semin will go to a team that is not so demanding defensively for forwards. Hunter was Torts essentially and I don't think Semin wants to go back to that, he was constantly in the dog house.

If he's open to it though, a 1 year deal at 3 mill seems reasonable to me, that's what we gave to Frolov a few years ago.

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05-31-2012, 05:26 PM
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if a square peg = scoring and a hole = lack of scoring you'd be correct.
Aside from his wrist shot what else does he pose offensively?

This is a non-issue anyways. But I don't want this guy anywhere near this team.

He doesn't fit into the identity.

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05-31-2012, 05:30 PM
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Aside from his wrist shot what else does he pose offensively?

This is a non-issue anyways. But I don't want this guy anywhere near this team.

He doesn't fit into the identity.
People thought that about Gaborik too... Not saying Semin is the answer or should even be looked at, just saying people surprise you when you give them a chance.

Are you telling me that a line of Gaborik, Semin, and Stepan wouldn't intrigue you?

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05-31-2012, 05:43 PM
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Semin is a lazy, heartless, selfish player with a sense if entitlement.

You can't unteach this stuff. No matter how much you ram the concept down his throat.

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05-31-2012, 05:53 PM
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Sather is throwing up a smokescreen. Amazingly he makes himself available for an interview, for the first time in how long, right before the GM meetings. Then he states we don't trade kids. He's looking to knock down Nash's price.

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Sather is throwing up a smokescreen. Amazingly he makes himself available for an interview, for the first time in how long, right before the GM meetings. Then he states we don't trade kids. He's looking to knock down Nash's price.
He's been doing interviews all season. He's been a lot more accessible this season than he had been in the past.

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05-31-2012, 07:00 PM
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He's been doing interviews all season. He's been a lot more accessible this season than he had been in the past.
Winning tends to do that

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05-31-2012, 07:16 PM
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Winning tends to do that
I think he's also older and sometimes that's enough for a change.

He has been changing gradually the last couple of years now.

It was also apparent last summer.

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05-31-2012, 07:59 PM
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all of you get on gaby for being lazy and then you want semin

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He has been changing gradually the last couple of years now.

It was also apparent last summer.
It also helps knowing that fans are not out there waiting with pitchforks and torches.

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05-31-2012, 08:14 PM
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all of you get on gaby for being lazy and then you want semin

All of us?

I don't want Semin.

Gaborik didn't score in the playoffs. Which made him pretty useless. Want to switch him for Nash and see if that's any better? What if it's not?

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05-31-2012, 08:25 PM
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need some options if Parise/Nash fall through, which they might.

Semin/Kelly or Jones would bolster our offense. Need options...

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05-31-2012, 08:26 PM
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I feel obligated to point out that just because Gaborik didn't produce on par with his typical output this postseason doesn't mean he won't in future.

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All of us?

I don't want Semin.

Gaborik didn't score in the playoffs. Which made him pretty useless. Want to switch him for Nash and see if that's any better? What if it's not?
my bad i was calling out the people who attack gaborik (a 40+ goal scorer who has 100+ goals in his last 3 years) and then call for sather to sign semin (a skilled but notoriously lazy player).

my problem with nash is his contract is more than gabys and could very well hurt us. the guy hasnt hit 40 goals in a while (given he has played with ****). the only thing that makes it a good deal and worth the contract and gaby+ is if he nets 40 goals in regular season and is con smythe caliber in the playoffs. i honestly believe that richie and nash would have natural chemistry.

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need some options if Parise/Nash fall through, which they might.

Semin/Kelly or Jones would bolster our offense. Need options...
would love to sign kelly and gaustad then bring up hrivik and JAM. those 4 greatly improve our bottom 6

dubi/hags/kreider-boyle-kelly
hrivik-gaustad-JAM

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would love to sign kelly and gaustad then bring up hrivik and JAM. those 4 greatly improve our bottom 6

dubi/hags/kreider-boyle-kelly
hrivik-gaustad-JAM
You're penciling 2 players, who have never played a lick of NHL time right into the lineup?

Our bottom 6 will more than likely look very similar to this year, except probably replace Fedotenko with someone (Zuccarello?).

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