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05-31-2012, 03:12 PM
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well why would canucks dump 5.3 mill for 4 mill (komi)? only a 1.3 mill difference and your player is completely useless. luongo, even in 30-40 game role has more worth than that.
Because Komisarek only has 2 years left, Luongo has like 10?

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Because Komisarek only has 2 years left, Luongo has like 10?
Komisarek is useless, Luongo is one the league's better goalies.

Why are you in the Canuck's forum?

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What if we did Luongo for 5th overall and Schenn, and promise not to sign Schultz. Then he's practically guaranteed to go to T.O., and it's as if we throw him in the package.
I'd make the trade, then sign Schultz anyways. Burke's angry tirade following this would be priceless.

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Because Komisarek only has 2 years left, Luongo has like 10?
How many of those 10 do you think he'll play?

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what would leafs fans give for schneider? i would take schneider and target nash or connolly/hedman or gardiner/5th. not saying straightup, would obviously add to make up differences.

i honestly don't mind signing schneidz for 3-4 mill, multi year, and keeping luongo. especially if the cap goes up a few million. then split the games down the middle between the goalies, this will add stock to schneider and we can trade him or wait till a team is desperate for goaltending and trade lu.
Wouldn't trade for him. Sign him to an offersheet, 5 Years, 22.5M (4.5M per). Compensation would be a 1st, 3rd. If Vancouver matches, they are tied up almost 10M per season on goalies.

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Burke came to Toronto in '08, Komisarek signed in July '09. Who gave him the contract then?

Burke has way to much 'respect', and the way he puts it is the GM gives out the contract, so if the player isn't worth the contract, it's the GM's fault for giving him the contract, not the player's fault. He wouldn't waive Komisarek if he could.
And thats why he is widely seen as a foolish blowhard....

To stubborn to fix his mistakes....

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Wouldn't trade for him. Sign him to an offersheet, 5 Years, 22.5M (4.5M per). Compensation would be a 1st, 3rd. If Vancouver matches, they are tied up almost 10M per season on goalies.
I thought Burke didn't 'believe' in offersheets....go chase your tail somewhere else!

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If Gillis doesn't get an impact player back for Luongo or Schneider (preferably Lu) I'll be disappointed.

Luongo's value definitely isn't as low as Leafs fans are hoping for but I doubt it's in the Gardiner + 5th + Schenn area either.

I know some fans think Colborne + Ashton + 2nd is a good price but I heavily disagree.

It took the Canucks years to get an elite goalie and to let one go for 3 "good" prospects would be disastrous...especially for this core's window.

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How many of those 10 do you think he'll play?
At least 7.

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Burke came to Toronto in '08, Komisarek signed in July '09. Who gave him the contract then?
My mistake. JFJ made so many bad moves I just automatically assumed this was one of them.

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Wouldn't trade for him. Sign him to an offersheet, 5 Years, 22.5M (4.5M per). Compensation would be a 1st, 3rd. If Vancouver matches, they are tied up almost 10M per season on goalies.
Why would any goalie ever choose to go to Toronto? The thing the layman fan misses about offer sheets is the player has to want to sign them. I don't think any goalie, specially one as smart as Schneider would ever choose to play behind Komisarek for the next two years.

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I thought Burke didn't 'believe' in offersheets....go chase your tail somewhere else!
Try and read the question.

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what would leafs fans give for schneider? i would take schneider and target nash or connolly/hedman or gardiner/5th. not saying straightup, would obviously add to make up differences.

i honestly don't mind signing schneidz for 3-4 mill, multi year, and keeping luongo. especially if the cap goes up a few million. then split the games down the middle between the goalies, this will add stock to schneider and we can trade him or wait till a team is desperate for goaltending and trade lu.
I'm not playing Burke, I'm playing Leaf fan.


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Because Komisarek only has 2 years left, Luongo has like 10?
by that time the canucks window is already closing, another 4 mill won't do much good. no point in arguing with people like you, it's been said a million times that luongo's contract is essentially cap circumvention the last 4 years have an average of 1.8 mill being payed to him. he will most likely retire by then, if he does not then he can be sent to the AHL and team pays 1.8 mill for 4 years (not a big deal).

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Why would any goalie ever choose to go to Toronto? The thing the layman fan misses about offer sheets is the player has to want to sign them. I don't think any goalie, specially one as smart as Schneider would ever choose to play behind Komisarek for the next two years.
Ah, goalie consultant over here. Question was what Leaf fans would give for Schneider, I answered with an offersheet. I'd figured he would at least think really hard about a big offer like that, regardless where it is.

And Komisarek doesn't play

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At least 7.
Then it's not really a 10 year deal now, is it? And 7 years would probably be the tops he would play...which would take him to about 39 years old, he could still be a very good goalie at that age.

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Then it's not really a 10 year deal now, is it? And 7 years would probably be the tops he would play...which would take him to about 39 years old, he could still be a very good goalie at that age.
Well he is still signed to a 10 year deal, so..?

I think he'll go around 7, but who's to say he doesn't honor the contract, and play it out? Nobody knows, it's years away.

But any who, 2 years @ 4.5 >>>>>> 7 years @ 5.33

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Ah, goalie consultant over here. Question was what Leaf fans would give for Schneider, I answered with an offersheet. I'd figured he would at least think really hard about a big offer like that, regardless where it is.

And Komisarek doesn't play
Okay, so you'd give him an offer sheet, and he'd use it to clean up after forty-five minutes on the porcelain seat.

He wouldn't think about it because of the defence you guys ice.

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by that time the canucks window is already closing, another 4 mill won't do much good. no point in arguing with people like you, it's been said a million times that luongo's contract is essentially cap circumvention the last 4 years have an average of 1.8 mill being payed to him. he will most likely retire by then, if he does not then he can be sent to the AHL and team pays 1.8 mill for 4 years (not a big deal).
Okay, so it's 2 years vs. a minimum of 7. He doesn't get dumped or retire before 7 years is up.

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Okay, so you'd give him an offer sheet, and he'd use it to clean up after forty-five minutes on the porcelain seat.

He wouldn't think about it because of the defence you guys ice.
Oh, okay, thanks for letting us know Cory.

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Well he is still signed to a 10 year deal, so..?

I think he'll go around 7, but who's to say he doesn't honor the contract, and play it out? Nobody knows, it's years away.

But any who, 2 years @ 4.5 >>>>>> 7 years @ 5.33
productive for 7 years @5.33 >>>>>> useless for 2 years @4.5.

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productive for 7 years @5.33 >>>>>> useless for 2 years @4.5.
Can't be for certain, and once those 2 years are up, that frees up $4.5M, which could be used on something else, something useful.

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Well he is still signed to a 10 year deal, so..?

I think he'll go around 7, but who's to say he doesn't honor the contract, and play it out? Nobody knows, it's years away.

But any who, 2 years @ 4.5 >>>>>> 7 years @ 5.33
Ok Leafs fan you're right. The team with sweet **** all has the upper hand on the team with 2 elite goalies.

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Can't be for certain, and once those 2 years are up, that frees up $4.5M, which could be used on something else, something useful.
I would rather keep Luongo as a $5.33 backup than pay Komisarek $4.5m for 2 years of sucking.

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But any who, 2 years @ 4.5 >>>>>> 7 years @ 5.33
You're assuming both players are of equivalent (or even comparable) effectiveness which is an absurd position to take. Komisarek could barely crack the lineup on a non playoff team while Luongo in a bad year would still be the best Leafs goalie in a decade.

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Can't be for certain, and once those 2 years are up, that frees up $4.5M, which could be used on something else, something useful.
You're not getting an elite goalie for your crap. Simple as that.

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