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05-31-2012, 03:59 PM
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What was the last Stacked team to not win the cup? Not counting the Canucks.
The 04/05 Ottawa Senators

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05-31-2012, 04:05 PM
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I'm very pleased with this. Will be nice to see a coach who can actually smile from time to time.

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The 04/05 Ottawa Senators
Every Leafs team for the last 50 years

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I'll reserve judgment. Hopefully this is a good move.
I'm okay with this....Last name isn't Sutter or Keenan, so he's off to a good start

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05-31-2012, 04:29 PM
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As I said in the other thread, I'm not opposed Hartley being hired because given his track record, you know he'll get a lot out of Iginla, Tanguay, Cammalleri, likely Baertschi and maybe even Backlund offensively.



Don't know why the Iginla rumors would heat up now. And Bouwmeester shouldn't be on the block either.
It's because we're currently between the months of January and October....During that time there's ALWAYS Iggy and Jbo rumors and speculations regardless of what management says

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05-31-2012, 04:37 PM
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I'm very pleased with this. Will be nice to see a coach who can actually smile from time to time.
....and doesn't sound like Jabba the hut during media conferences.

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05-31-2012, 05:18 PM
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on a side note I was looking at the Zurich roster from this season and there is a player named Patrick Bartschi on the team, any relation to Sven?
eliteprospects.com lists no relation, and they're pretty good at tht.

on another side note, Patrick was actually a top Penguins prospect once upon a time after leading the WJC in scoring one year with most goals and points, which is pretty unheard of for a swiss player to do.

His play kind of stalled after that and he never came across the pond.

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eliteprospects.com lists no relation, and they're pretty good at tht.

on another side note, Patrick was actually a top Penguins prospect once upon a time after leading the WJC in scoring one year with most goals and points, which is pretty unheard of for a swiss player to do.

His play kind of stalled after that and he never came across the pond.
Patrick Bärtschi - as you mentioned he is not related to Sven - had massive hip surgery that set him back (shortly) after the draft. I'm not saying he would have made it otherwise, but we shall never know, I guess.

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I'll reserve hating him unreasonably until he makes a move I dislike, like pulling Kipper too late or playing Iginla too much (or too little).

Hopefully he can more out of these guys than Sutter did.

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Very happy with this hire!!! Especially when the rumored alternatives were Cory Clouston, MacT, and Ron Wilson...

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I'll reserve hating him unreasonably until he makes a move I dislike, like pulling Kipper too late or playing Iginla too much (or too little).

Hopefully he can more out of these guys than Sutter did.
Lol. Nobody would've figured you to hate Hartely.

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Good Signing and I will leave it at that for now... Hope our youngsters can blossom under this guy...

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05-31-2012, 07:34 PM
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He is a good coach but he likes offense and I love the quote "I can promise you and I can promise the fans that we will play an entertaining style of hockey" all I can say is FINALLY.

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05-31-2012, 08:05 PM
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I just found out that Hartley is the god father for Feaster's kid. That, and the 3 year deal makes me wonder about this deal. First Sutter got the job because of nepotism, and now Hartely gets the gig questionably too.

We should be giving the job to the best candidate possible, and not give it to the guy who rubs shoulders with the higher ups. I hope Feaster has no problem firing this guy if things get messy...

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lol @ Feaster on the FAN 960 - "If I'm put into a situation where I have to fire Bob Hartley, we can probably just help each other pack."

Probably not far from the truth.

Wasn't Hartley rumoured as a possible mid season replacement if Sutter was fired last November? I seem to recall something like that. If so they've probably been talking for a while now.

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05-31-2012, 08:18 PM
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Meh. The player personnel still isn't up to par and the prospect pool, though improving, still isn't all that great (and won't get better until we stop bleeding picks and ship players for young assets). The game is played on the ice and no coach is about to change the problems that are so deeply rooted within this locker room. Hoping for the best, but expecting another ninth or tenth place if the team decides to go out with the same damn core group.

Feaster's comment "you don't hire a coach like Hartley if you are going to trade your veteran players like Jarome Iginla" inspires no confidence in me.

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05-31-2012, 08:33 PM
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Meh. The player personnel still isn't up to par and the prospect pool, though improving, still isn't all that great (and won't get better until we stop bleeding picks and ship players for young assets). The game is played on the ice and no coach is about to change the problems that are so deeply rooted within this locker room. Hoping for the best, but expecting another ninth or tenth place if the team decides to go out with the same damn core group.

Feaster's comment "you don't hire a coach like Hartley if you are going to trade your veteran players like Jarome Iginla" inspires no confidence in me.
Why do we need to ship core players to get younger assets? Cervenka, Eddy, Lamb, Comeau, and Aliu wasn't obtained from trading away core players. I'm seeing a situation where Feaster is trying to have his cake and eat it too. And judging by Feaster's - shall we say - physical stature, I think it's safe to say he knows a thing or two about cake

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05-31-2012, 08:52 PM
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Why do we need to ship core players to get younger assets? Cervenka, Eddy, Lamb, Comeau, and Aliu wasn't obtained from trading away core players. I'm seeing a situation where Feaster is trying to have his cake and eat it too. And judging by Feaster's - shall we say - physical stature, I think it's safe to say he knows a thing or two about cake
In layman's terms, Tubby Chumkins loves his cake.

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Why do we need to ship core players to get younger assets? Cervenka, Eddy, Lamb, Comeau, and Aliu wasn't obtained from trading away core players. I'm seeing a situation where Feaster is trying to have his cake and eat it too. And judging by Feaster's - shall we say - physical stature, I think it's safe to say he knows a thing or two about cake
I'm talking about good assets. Guys, who somewhere down the line, could end up being game breakers. On that list, only Cervenka qualifies.

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I'm talking about good assets. Guys, who somewhere down the line, could end up being game breakers. On that list, only Cervenka qualifies.
I agree. But how do you know you're getting a good asset? Prospects are such a hit or miss it's not logic, it's luck. With Iginla on the roster sheet, you know what you're getting.

If we were last place, I'd be singing a different tune. Only then would your losses be so great that playing the chances would likely obtain the same or better results in standings or player numbers.

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I agree. But how do you know you're getting a good asset? Prospects are such a hit or miss it's not logic, it's luck. With Iginla on the roster sheet, you know what you're getting.
With Iginla, you know what you're getting, for another two or three years maybe. Last year was the first year I found myself saying 'Iginla's lost a step.' And it's true. His usual March romp was nowhere to be found. I don't place that blame on Jarome, because the team has not supplied him with anyone to support him. But he has lost a step, if only a small one.

You know you're getting a good asset when you're giving up something of value. If you're getting assets that are second-tier college FAs, a player who couldn't make it on the Islanders roster, another who couldn't make on Winnipeg's AHL team, you know you're not getting anything of too much value (barring a massive development spike).

I'm talking about guys who are on trend to make it to the NHL, not reclamation projects and players with low-ceilings.

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I like the fact they gave Bob the option to bring in his own assistant, something that hasn't been done in a while.

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I like the fact they gave Bob the option to bring in his own assistant, something that hasn't been done in a while.
I believe Sutter had that option this year did he not?

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With Iginla, you know what you're getting, for another two or three years maybe. Last year was the first year I found myself saying 'Iginla's lost a step.' And it's true. His usual March romp was nowhere to be found. I don't place that blame on Jarome, because the team has not supplied him with anyone to support him. But he has lost a step, if only a small one.

You know you're getting a good asset when you're giving up something of value. If you're getting assets that are second-tier college FAs, a player who couldn't make it on the Islanders roster, another who couldn't make on Winnipeg's AHL team, you know you're not getting anything of too much value (barring a massive development spike).

I'm talking about guys who are on trend to make it to the NHL, not reclamation projects and players with low-ceilings.
But when projected high ceiling prospects have such low probabilities of making the NHL, and when low-ceiling prospects end up making the NHL, we can throw the black & white book right out the window. So again, how do we know we're getting a good asset?

I know this game isn't a science. And I truly believe the blow'em up vs. keep-on-trucking debate is no different than the socialism vs. capitalism debate or the athiest vs. deism, except that hockey has less impact and meaning. Why? Nobody can prove their winning model is better or works. But I, like you, will defend my model.

I personally don't want to go through what the Oilers have been/will be going through unless we have to. We were right at the edge of the playoffs for three straight years, and during which, we had some questionable coaching and management. I think we can build a new core while trying to continually compete, and that sounds more enjoyable than accepting consecutive written off seasons with hopes that cup competing comes sooner than later. Not only that, but I would like our new core (when drafted) to get used to winning games and developed right, rather than thrown to the wolves.

What your proposing, however, is a reason for me to watch more basketball until this team finds the end of the rainbow. Likewise, our prospects are sooo bad (relatively) that I truly believe a complete blow up of players over 30 yrs old will result in a very long period of me watching basketball. I don't want to see Beartschi carry an AHL team while hoping future 1st round picks pan out. I've seen it before with the Flames and it didn't watch much hockey again until 2004. But maybe it's different now in a cap world, but only time will tell.

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Edmonton started from scratch, zilch, zero. We have pieces pieces we can trade to accelerate the process and veterans in place to guide the rookies. It's not a guarantee of a winning team but what is much more of a guarantee is that this core, if kept together, will continue to produce the exact same results. The other guarantee is that Iginla and Kiprusoff will not be able to maintain their high level of play for the next five years. Changes will have to be made.

I'm simply proposing we go into a rebuild on our terms instead of falling into one like Edmonton. Approaching it with a plan instead of attempting to fail every year should yield faster and better results.

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