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05-31-2012, 08:35 PM
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boyle for leblonc?
LOL, no.

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HAHA You think you can get P.K for spare parts.
Del Zotto is not an elite defenseman nor is Dubinsky an elite forward.
Get over yourself.
If you want P.K you better start with a few players worth wild not these two.
dz has great potential and dubi has shown he has potential. subban isnt elite get over it.

webber, chara, letang, karlsson, pietro, phaneuf, pronger, and staal are elite

OEL, McD, subban, doughty, larsson etc. have potential to be elite but havent proven anything outside of a season or two.

subban is good but not elite (yet) and dubi + dz probably does not get a deal done but i would consider that close those two are not just spare parts. spare parts would be considered most of your team

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05-31-2012, 09:14 PM
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Del Zotto is not an elite defender, and neither is Subban.

In fact, I'd say Del Zotto is far ahead of Subban offensively. 10 goals and 40 points on a team with one of the worst power play units in the NHL???

You clearly haven't watched Del Zotto play at all this season. Stop talking about a guy you have absolutely no clue about.
I actually did that calculation earlier in the year.
If MDZ played on a team with an average PP, he'd be a 50 point player.

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05-31-2012, 09:17 PM
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I actually did that calculation earlier in the year.
If MDZ played on a team with an average PP, he'd be a 50 point player.
I just said in the new Del Zotto thread that if Tortarella would ever wake the **** up and realize that you need defenders playing on their off-wings to set up multiple one-time shots and put people in front of the net, Del Zotto could score 60+ points a year. The majority of his points are even strength, if not all of them.

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I'd argue that none of the mentioned players there are elite.
See it's the Rangers looking for P.K.
We have no interest in Del Zotto and Dubinsky if it takes giving up P.K.
In this thread it's the Rangers looking to trade for P.K.
Expect to overpay if your comming for him.
We are not just going to give up our top young D-man for average players.
Would you give up McDonagh for Eller and Weber, No i didn't think so.
Think what it would take for us to get McDonagh and that what it would take you guys to get P.K.

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dz has great potential and dubi has shown he has potential. subban isnt elite get over it.

webber, chara, letang, karlsson, pietro, phaneuf, pronger, and staal are elite

OEL, McD, subban, doughty, larsson etc. have potential to be elite but havent proven anything outside of a season or two.

subban is good but not elite (yet) and dubi + dz probably does not get a deal done but i would consider that close those two are not just spare parts. spare parts would be considered most of your team
What has Staal done to be called an elite D-man?
And your trying to tell me to get over it.

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Bad deal for the Rangers.

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See it's the Rangers looking for P.K.
We have no interest in Del Zotto and Dubinsky if it takes giving up P.K.
In this thread it's the Rangers looking to trade for P.K.
Expect to overpay if your comming for him.
We are not just going to give up our top young D-man for average players.
Would you give up McDonagh for Eller and Weber, No i didn't think so.
Think what it would take for us to get McDonagh and that what it would take you guys to get P.K.
haha that's fair I realize that.

That doesn't mean that any of the players involved are elite.

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05-31-2012, 09:22 PM
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LMFAO dubi and dz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eller and webber
And P.K >> Del Zotto and Dubinsky so whats your point.
We are not trading P.K just to downgrade.

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I actually did that calculation earlier in the year.
If MDZ played on a team with an average PP, he'd be a 50 point player.
If Subban played on a top-tier team and one with an average PP he'd be a 60 point player with +30 plus/minus and a Norris candidate. Completely pointless extrapolations are fun!

To think the Habs would downgrade in trading Subban for MDZ in order to get Dubinsky is laughable. Not one Habs fan in this thread has indicated that they would make this trade. Not because we overvalue our players but rather its just plain idiotic.

End thread!

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05-31-2012, 09:24 PM
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haha that's fair I realize that.

That doesn't mean that any of the players involved are elite.
I totally agree. I never claimed that P.K was elite.
I just said that you have to overpay if your comming after him and i don't believe that Del Zotto and Dubinsky are near enough of an overpayment to get him.
It doesn't make our team better .That trade hurts us more than it helps us.

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05-31-2012, 09:28 PM
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If Subban played on a top-tier team and one with an average PP he'd be a 60 point player with +30 plus/minus and a Norris candidate. Completely pointless extrapolations are fun!

To think the Habs would downgrade in trading Subban for MDZ in order to get Dubinsky is laughable. Not one Habs fan in this thread has indicated that they would make this trade. Not because we overvalue our players but rather its just plain idiotic.

End thread!
I don't see the problem messing around with stats. It doesn't mean its going to happen.

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05-31-2012, 09:31 PM
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I don't see the problem messing around with stats. It doesn't mean its going to happen.
There is a difference between messing around with stats and completely inventing them.

Here's an argument to ponder. Could it be that the NYR below average PP was due to the caliber of offensive d-men on the blueline - MDZ included? Obviously if a teams PP was better then the point stats of the d-men who man the point on the PP would be better. But the bottom line is that the NYR PP was below average. Period.

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There is a difference between messing around with stats and completely inventing them.

Here's an argument to ponder. Could it be that the NYR below average PP was due to the caliber of offensive d-men on the blueline - MDZ included? Obviously if a teams PP was better then the point stats of the d-men who man the point on the PP would be better. But the bottom line is that the NYR PP was below average. Period.
If you saw them play this year regularly, you'd know it is a complete coaching issue.
Richards was moved on the point, then off the point. MDZ was sometimes played and sometimes not. They wouldn't move.

I still remember our most successful PP ever.

Kotalik playing left point, MDZ playing right. It was deadly. Torts should have inverted Stralman and MDZ to see what that would do.

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Nope, pass.

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If you saw them play this year regularly, you'd know it is a complete coaching issue.
Richards was moved on the point, then off the point. MDZ was sometimes played and sometimes not. They wouldn't move.

I still remember our most successful PP ever.

Kotalik playing left point, MDZ playing right. It was deadly. Torts should have inverted Stralman and MDZ to see what that would do.
Coaching issue. Did you not see the Habs play this season. Now that is what i call real coaching issues.

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Coaching issue. Did you not see the Habs play this season. Now that is what i call real coaching issues.
lol you guys had quite a mess over there.

I was only speaking to MDZ on the PP. You guys had a bunch of issues that probably affected a lot of players.

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NYR/Habs are not good partners. Sorry. Not sure why there's 2 suggested trades on the first page for our two teams.

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NYR/Habs are not good partners. Sorry. Not sure why there's 2 suggested trades on the first page for our two teams.
they arent serious threads they are habs vs rangers wars

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lol you guys had quite a mess over there.

I was only speaking to MDZ on the PP. You guys had a bunch of issues that probably affected a lot of players.
True. Which means it effected mostly every players stats on the team, not for the good either.I'm sure you will see a different team come the start of the season just because of coaching. Not say cup contenders but just a much better all around team.

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boyle for leblonc?
not a chance from habs pov

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Not so fast there CS... I would offer up Leblonc in a heartbeat for Boyle. I think Boyle and Louis Leblanc would look good together on a line.

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Del Zotto is brutal defensively. Dubinsky has zero trade value (rag fans are talking about amnesty here) and Rupp is a 4th liner. Why should the Canadiens give up a young stud defenseman who has all star potential for 3 players the Rangers don't want. Most of the fans on here submit whacked trades only willing to part with scraps they don't want for your best young player. I don't get it

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Habs need righhanded defenseman no way they trade away their franchise one... Stupid trade IMO

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Del Zotto is brutal defensively. Dubinsky has zero trade value (rag fans are talking about amnesty here) and Rupp is a 4th liner. Why should the Canadiens give up a young stud defenseman who has all star potential for 3 players the Rangers don't want. Most of the fans on here submit whacked trades only willing to part with scraps they don't want for your best young player. I don't get it
Do not take any knuckleheaded Rangers fan that talks Dubi buyout seriously. They have no clue what they are talking about.

As for zero trade value, you show that you also do not know what you are talking about.

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