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05-29-2012, 11:50 AM
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Girgensons doesn't seem to get a lot of love around here yet he is one of my favorite prospects in this draft. I think in a few years he will be a terrific player in the NHL. One with all the intangibles a team could ever ask for, not to mention the loads of skill he already possesses to go along with his brute strength. I'm betting several teams will be regretting the decision to pass on this kid.

At #39 I wouldn't mind Kerdiles (doubt he's still available), Maidens, or Nieves.
I agree about Girgensons, I would not be at all upset if he ended up being our pick, I think there's a lot more offensive upside with him than with say Gaunce who may bring the same level of two-way play. If they go with a forward considering who will likely be available I'd definitely be happy with Faksa/Teravainen/Girgensons.

Also would be quite pleased with any of those three in the second round.

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Hi Jets fans, Sabres fan coming to ask a question. Let's assume the top-8 breaks like this, in some order:

Yakupov
Murray
Galchenyuk
Forsberg
Grigorenko
Dumba
Rielly
Teravainen

If Buffalo offered you #12 + #42 (and more likely it'll be #41 once the Devils forfeit their 1st rounder) for #9, and assured you that we were taking Faksa with that pick, would you guys be at all interested? Even if Tampa and Washington then picked two of Trouba, Reinhart, and Ceci, you guys would still have the other guy and an additional early- to mid-2nd rounder. (I think Washington is going forward, personally--Gaunce or Girgensons.)

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05-29-2012, 01:44 PM
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New McKeen's mock has us taking Hampus Lindholm which seems a little odd, don't think I've seen him ranked/placed top-10 anywhere prior to this.

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McKeens has nice write ups, but is poor in their ranking of players IMO.

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Hi Jets fans, Sabres fan coming to ask a question. Let's assume the top-8 breaks like this, in some order:

Yakupov
Murray
Galchenyuk
Forsberg
Grigorenko
Dumba
Rielly
Teravainen

If Buffalo offered you #12 + #42 (and more likely it'll be #41 once the Devils forfeit their 1st rounder) for #9, and assured you that we were taking Faksa with that pick, would you guys be at all interested? Even if Tampa and Washington then picked two of Trouba, Reinhart, and Ceci, you guys would still have the other guy and an additional early- to mid-2nd rounder. (I think Washington is going forward, personally--Gaunce or Girgensons.)
I would not do that. If Buffalo came to me (if I was the GM), and I wasn't in love with the guy at 9, and I thought a guy I did love would be there at 12, I would counter offer:

9th + 39th (38th) for 12th and 21st.

Sure the gap between 38 and 21 is larger, but to many there is a very real gap in talent in the top 8 or 9.

Does Buffalo make that deal?

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05-29-2012, 02:24 PM
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I would not do that. If Buffalo came to me (if I was the GM), and I wasn't in love with the guy at 9, and I thought a guy I did love would be there at 12, I would counter offer:

9th + 39th (38th) for 12th and 21st.

Sure the gap between 38 and 21 is larger, but to many there is a very real gap in talent in the top 8 or 9.

Does Buffalo make that deal?
I don't think we do. My sense is that if Buffalo doesn't pick twice in the 1st round it's because we traded one of the picks in a deal for a roster player, or we traded up into that 6th-7th range. If that's the asking price for #9, I'd rather they just pick Girgensons or Gaunce at #12, and then use #21 and one of the 2nd rounders (#41 and #43 once the Devs forfeit their 1st) to get into that 15-17 range and either pick the one of Gaunce or Girgensons that we didn't select, if he's still on the board, or assure themselves of getting someone like Collberg or Hertl.

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05-29-2012, 03:00 PM
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I don't think we do. My sense is that if Buffalo doesn't pick twice in the 1st round it's because we traded one of the picks in a deal for a roster player, or we traded up into that 6th-7th range. If that's the asking price for #9, I'd rather they just pick Girgensons or Gaunce at #12, and then use #21 and one of the 2nd rounders (#41 and #43 once the Devs forfeit their 1st) to get into that 15-17 range and either pick the one of Gaunce or Girgensons that we didn't select, if he's still on the board, or assure themselves of getting someone like Collberg or Hertl.
That's cool. It really comes down to the guy at 9, and how much both team's like him.

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Hi Jets fans, Sabres fan coming to ask a question. Let's assume the top-8 breaks like this, in some order:

Yakupov
Murray
Galchenyuk
Forsberg
Grigorenko
Dumba
Rielly
Teravainen

If Buffalo offered you #12 + #42 (and more likely it'll be #41 once the Devils forfeit their 1st rounder) for #9, and assured you that we were taking Faksa with that pick, would you guys be at all interested? Even if Tampa and Washington then picked two of Trouba, Reinhart, and Ceci, you guys would still have the other guy and an additional early- to mid-2nd rounder. (I think Washington is going forward, personally--Gaunce or Girgensons.)
I agree with huff here, i don't think i'd do it.

if i'm not getting faksa, reinhart, or trouba, then i want another pick before our current second rounder.

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Is the MTS Centre being opened to view the draft again this year? If not, are there any big draft day parties being held in Winnipeg?

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Draft party won't be at the MTS Centre because the Bryan Adams concert is on that night.

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05-29-2012, 04:49 PM
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I agree with huff here, i don't think i'd do it.

if i'm not getting faksa, reinhart, or trouba, then i want another pick before our current second rounder.
I think that's the calculus: Do you believe that one of Trouba or Reinhart--or Ceci, depending on who your GM likes--will still be on the board if you move back three spots (knowing full well who Buffalo would be selecting)? If so--and I assume your GM would do his due diligence on what those other teams' needs are, especially two division rivals like the Lightning and Caps--why not pull the trigger, get a guy you like, and add a valuable pick in the process. Does the calculus change if, for instance, Tampa trades their pick for someone like Jon Bernier?

We're kind of shooting at a moving target at this point, and I understand why you guys are hesitant. I wouldn't be a bit surprised, though, if Regier and Cheveldayoff are chatting on the floor early in the 1st round.

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I think that's the calculus: Do you believe that one of Trouba or Reinhart--or Ceci, depending on who your GM likes--will still be on the board if you move back three spots (knowing full well who Buffalo would be selecting)? If so--and I assume your GM would do his due diligence on what those other teams' needs are, especially two division rivals like the Lightning and Caps--why not pull the trigger, get a guy you like, and add a valuable pick in the process. Does the calculus change if, for instance, Tampa trades their pick for someone like Jon Bernier?

We're kind of shooting at a moving target at this point, and I understand why you guys are hesitant. I wouldn't be a bit surprised, though, if Regier and Cheveldayoff are chatting on the floor early in the 1st round.
Our prospect cupboard is pretty bare. If TNSE values a few guys the same - 9 thru to 12, then getting another pick in 1st might improve the number without sacrificing too much on quality.
But if I guy like Trouba or even Galchenyuk falls to 9, I think you grab him.

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The draft is always interesting... with trades and surprise picks every year, you never know what you'll end up with. Chevy and company surprised us last year with the number one pick so who's to say that it won't happen again?

It will be fun seeing who gets selected... as we'll likely get to see at least one game from our first pick in September. (Well if there is a pre-season but let's not go there)

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Draft party won't be at the MTS Centre because the Bryan Adams concert is on that night.
IIRC there were about 5,000 there for last year's draft - and just about everyone I ran into at MTSC on draft day were there to scout seats in advance of the seat selection process. They were giving away tickets on the afternoon of the event (I believe they were $5 originally). I just don't know how many people would show up to watch us pick #9 this June...

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IIRC there were about 5,000 there for last year's draft - and just about everyone I ran into at MTSC on draft day were there to scout seats in advance of the seat selection process. They were giving away tickets on the afternoon of the event (I believe they were $5 originally). I just don't know how many people would show up to watch us pick #9 this June...
agreed, i can't see them having a draft party at the mtsc again, barrin extrenuating circumstances (the draft IS at the mtscenter, we're picking first and not because we played horribly[lockout lottery? grasping at straws here...])

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The more i see of Kopitar, Zajac, Zubris, etc in the playoffs, the more I'm convinced we need at least 1 more big center (to go along with Scheifele, in the future).

Considering we likely won't acquire one via free agency or trade, I'd love to see the Jets draft Faksa this draft. Having Scheifele and Faksa down the middle in the future could be fantastic.

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The more i see of Kopitar, Zajac, Zubris, etc in the playoffs, the more I'm convinced we need at least 1 more big center (to go along with Scheifele, in the future).

Considering we likely won't acquire one via free agency or trade, I'd love to see the Jets draft Faksa this draft. Having Scheifele and Faksa down the middle in the future could be fantastic.
Yea I would love that pick

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The more i see of Kopitar, Zajac, Zubris, etc in the playoffs, the more I'm convinced we need at least 1 more big center (to go along with Scheifele, in the future).

Considering we likely won't acquire one via free agency or trade, I'd love to see the Jets draft Faksa this draft. Having Scheifele and Faksa down the middle in the future could be fantastic.
I wouldn't mind Faksa. I would like a defenceman at 9 but if Faksa is there I'm just fine with him if the Jets take him. My ideal pick is Trouba but I don't think that he's there at that time. He seems made for a Minnesota pick - hometown kid that they can market. That said, they said the same about Nick Leddy and then they shipped him off to Chicago for the Barker trade.

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I have a feeling the Jets will be picking Brendan Gaunce.

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I have a feeling the Jets will be picking Brendan Gaunce.
I hope not. If they're picking a forward I hope it's one of Faksa, Girgensons or Teravainen.

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I hope not. If they're picking a forward I hope it's one of Faksa, Girgensons or Teravainen.
I agree. Our scouts had better be sure that his offensive game will translate to the NHL (which is my concern with Faksa as well).

Especially since that means we would be leaving one of Faksa or Teravainen, as well as someone like Trouba, Reinhart, or Reilly on the board.

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Faksa seems like that competitive kid, with very good skill, that does anything to win.

Saw a video clip on his coach Spott saying they have to replace his pant shells all the time because he's always grinding it out along the boards, in the corners and then blocking shots, etc.

Feels he'll slot into that #2 center spot and stay there for a decade, adding size, skill and competitiveness. I'm good with that. Especially at #9, this year.
But if Trouba is still there at 9, he would be hard to pass up.

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Faksa seems like that competitive kid, with very good skill, that does anything to win.

Saw a video clip on his coach Spott saying they have to replace his pant shells all the time because he's always grinding it out along the boards, in the corners and then blocking shots, etc.

Feels he'll slot into that #2 center spot and stay there for a decade, adding size, skill and competitiveness. I'm good with that. Especially at #9, this year.
But if Trouba is still there at 9, he would be hard to pass up.
Faksa would be a solid choice and give us Scheif and Faska to build around up front....starting to rethink whether or not i want the jets to go after reinhart/trouba or faska!

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Faksa would be a solid choice and give us Scheif and Faska to build around up front....starting to rethink whether or not i want the jets to go after reinhart/trouba or faska!
I also like the opportunity Faksa brings for Pavelec to have a young Czech player around to support and mentor off the ice, etc. Might help Pavy mature and grow, as well. (Not that that's an issue - just a positive in his development).

Either of one of Trouba or Faksa works really well for me. Not sold on Reinhart or Maatta. Big, positional, puck movers - but that lack of sandpaper just bugs me about their game. I think we need to add size and sandpaper if we can.

If both Trouba (Ana or Minny) and Faksa (Carolina) are gone - I'm ok with moving out of #9 - for more picks. Hopefully, a top 14 and another 2nd (?) in 2012.

Would also like to see 2nds and/or 3rd (in 2013) packaged up for additional 1st in 2013. Seems like though its a deep draft in 2013, another 1st might get you another vg prospect.

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Combine fitness testing day!

It's still early but there are a couple interesting results, mostly the players who were injured trying to bring their stock back up.

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Unofficially, Koekkoek did 30 pushups and 12 bench press reps, so the shoulder looks to be just fine.
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Moose Jaw Warriors def. Morgan Rielly just passed the Wingate test. Hardly breathing but a bit spent. #NHLCombine
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Galchenyuk's knee passed the Vertek jump with flying colors
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Projected fifth-overall pick Morgan Rielly, in the first group of bike tests. #NHLCombine #NHLJets
Team tipping their hand a little bit?

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