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06-01-2012, 12:06 PM
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Top prospect Alex Galchenyuk told me what he's most looking forward to about visiting Pittsburgh is going to @Pirates games #BUCN -MC
aw man! thats the last i wanted to happen......now i'm starting to dream...and i know nothing good is going to come from it.

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ISS have released their final rankings:

1. Nail Yakupov (RW) - Sarnia (OHL)
2. Filip Forsberg (C) - Leksands (SWE)
3. Ryan Murray (LD) - Everett (WHL)
4. Mikhail Grigorenko (C) - Quebec (QMJHL)
5. Jacob Trouba (RD) - US-NTDP (USHL)
6. Mathew Dumba (RD) - Red Deer (WHL)
7. Morgan Rielly (LD) - Moose Jaw (WHL)
8. Teuvo Teravainen (LW) - Jokerit (FIN)
9. Cody Ceci (RD) - Ottawa (OHL)
10. Griffin Reinhart (LD) - Edmonton (WHL)
11. Brendan Gaunce (C) - Belleville (OHL)
12. Olli Maatta (LD) - London (OHL)
13. Sebastian Collberg (RW) - Vastra (SWE)
14. Alex Galchenyuk (C) - Sarnia (OHL)
15. Nicholas Kerdiles (C/LW) - US-NTDP (USHL)
16. Radek Faksa (LW) - Kitchener (OHL)
17. Thomas Wilson (RW) - Plymouth Whalers (OHL)
18. Matthew Finn (LD) - Guelph (OHL)
19. Hampus Lindholm (LD) - Rogle (SWEj)
20. Pontus Aberg (LW) - Djurgarden (SWE)
21. Slater Koekkoek (LD) - Peterborough (OHL)
22. Derrick Pouliot (D) - Portland (WHL)
23. Scott Laughton (C) - Oshawa (OHL)
24. Zemgus Girgensons (C) - Dubuque (USHL)
25. Colton Sissons (C/RW) - Kelowna (WHL)
26. Brady Skjei (LD) - US-NTDP (USHL)
27. Dalton Thrower (RD) - Saskatoon (WHL)
28. Ludvig Bystrom (LD) - Modo (SWE)
29. Adam Pelech (LD) - Erie (OHL)
30. Tomas Hertl (LW) - Slavia (CZE)

1. Oscar Dansk - Brynas (SWE Jr.)
2. Malcolm Subban - Belleville (OHL)
3. Andrei Vasilevski - Ufa Tolpar (RUS Jr.)
4. Matt Murray - Ste. Sault Marie (OHL)
5. Chris Driedger - Calgary (WHL)
Galchenyuk at 14? Someone's getting a steal if that happens.

Also, if the draft went according to rankings, it seems we'd be drafting our second straight Winterhawk.

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06-01-2012, 01:03 PM
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Top prospect Alex Galchenyuk told me what he's most looking forward to about visiting Pittsburgh is going to @Pirates games #BUCN -MC
I really like this kid, steal of the draft IMO. Going to need a top 5 pick to get him, so long Jordan?

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06-01-2012, 01:45 PM
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I hope a really good defender is still sitting there. Call me crazy, but I freaking love stock-piling on defenders. They are so easy to trade. Worst case scenario, we have a ****ing awesome blue line.

Lord knows at our position we aren't going to get a great forward. Those seem to always go right away.

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06-01-2012, 01:56 PM
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I hope a really good defender is still sitting there. Call me crazy, but I freaking love stock-piling on defenders. They are so easy to trade. Worst case scenario, we have a ****ing awesome blue line.

Lord knows at our position we aren't going to get a great forward. Those seem to always go right away.
Best player available.

I agree, stockpile good D men and trade them for proven wingers.

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I hope a really good defender is still sitting there. Call me crazy, but I freaking love stock-piling on defenders. They are so easy to trade. Worst case scenario, we have a ****ing awesome blue line.

Lord knows at our position we aren't going to get a great forward. Those seem to always go right away.
Id love to see that tested this offseason.

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06-01-2012, 02:29 PM
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I hope a really good defender is still sitting there. Call me crazy, but I freaking love stock-piling on defenders. They are so easy to trade. Worst case scenario, we have a ****ing awesome blue line.

Lord knows at our position we aren't going to get a great forward. Those seem to always go right away.
I agree. Collberg and Aberg are about the only forwards this draft I can get giddy over. But I really don't see either of them falling to us if some teams are looking for offense. There's a few decent centers, but there's plenty of defensemen with too much potential to ignore.

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06-01-2012, 02:30 PM
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I hope a really good defender is still sitting there. Call me crazy, but I freaking love stock-piling on defenders. They are so easy to trade. Worst case scenario, we have a ****ing awesome blue line.

Lord knows at our position we aren't going to get a great forward. Those seem to always go right away.
There is so much depth on the blueline in this draft, someone is going to slip. People always assume NHL org have the same draft boards as we see publically... A few teams always go off the "board".

Look where they grabbed Despres and Morrow.

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I agree. Collberg and Aberg are about the only forwards this draft I can get giddy over. But I really don't see either of them falling to us if some teams are looking for offense. There's a few decent centers, but there's plenty of defensemen with too much potential to ignore.
All of those blueliners and Aberg's injuries very well could have him sitting there at 22. Apparently he was playing phenomenal hockey, then got hurt, which has dropped his stock it seems. Very similar to Frk's situation.

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I don't care what position they take in the first round except for goalie. If they think this or that person is the BPA then I hope they take them.

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All of those blueliners and Aberg's injuries very well could have him sitting there at 22. Apparently he was playing phenomenal hockey, then got hurt, which has dropped his stock it seems. Very similar to Frk's situation.
I'll be please either way. As long as we don't take Sissons or Wilson.

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Galchenyuk at 14? Someone's getting a steal if that happens.

Also, if the draft went according to rankings, it seems we'd be drafting our second straight Winterhawk.
doesn't seem right that he's only ranked 3 places higher than Wilson.

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06-01-2012, 06:12 PM
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Faksa at 16 is interesting. He's a big kid, great skating, 2-way center. It would be great having such a player in our prospect pool.

EDIT: Sure, Galchenyuk would be no brainer.

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Does anyone else like Samuelsson in the 1st? I like him more each time I watch him.

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Does anyone else like Samuelsson in the 1st? I like him more each time I watch him.
Might not have the highest upside but has the tools to be an effective 3rd liner if he doesn't cut it in the top 6.

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Might not have the highest upside but has the tools to be an effective 3rd liner if he doesn't cut it in the top 6.
IMO the skill is just fine but its his sense and passing thats elite. Kind of like Patrick Elias.

Also Grigs is way to high on that list. I would almost put money down that he slips.

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06-01-2012, 08:54 PM
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I'll be please either way. As long as we don't take Sissons or Wilson.
Last I heard,Wilson was flying up the draft boards. I've never seen him play, but he's getting some big time praise. What say you?

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Got the wrong draft rankings, here are the final correct ISS rankings:

1. Nail Yakupov (RW) - Sarnia (OHL)
2. Filip Forsberg (C) - Leksands (SWE)
3. Ryan Murray (LD) - Everett (WHL)
4. Mikhail Grigorenko (C) - Quebec (QMJHL)
5. Jacob Trouba (RD) - US-NTDP (USHL)
6. Griffin Reinhart (LD) - Edmonton (WHL)
7. Morgan Rielly (LD) - Moose Jaw (WHL)
8. Mathew Dumba (RD) - Red Deer (WHL)
9. Teuvo Teravainen (LW) - Jokerit (FIN)
10. Cody Ceci (RD) - Ottawa (OHL)
11. Brendan Gaunce (C) - Belleville (OHL)
12. Olli Maatta (LD) - London (OHL)
13. Sebastian Collberg (RW) - Vastra (SWE)
14. Alex Galchenyuk (C) - Sarnia (OHL)
15. Nicholas Kerdiles (C/LW) - US-NTDP (USHL)
16. Radek Faksa (LW) - Kitchener (OHL)
17. Thomas Wilson (RW) - Plymouth Whalers (OHL)
18. Matthew Finn (LD) - Guelph (OHL)
19. Hampus Lindholm (LD) - Rogle (SWEj)
20. Pontus Aberg (LW) - Djurgarden (SWE)
21. Slater Koekkoek (LD) - Peterborough (OHL)
22. Derrick Pouliot (D) - Portland (WHL)
23. Scott Laughton (C) - Oshawa (OHL)
24. Zemgus Girgensons (C) - Dubuque (USHL)
25. Colton Sissons (C/RW) - Kelowna (WHL)
26. Brady Skjei (LD) - US-NTDP (USHL)
27. Henrik Samuelsson (C) - Edmonton (WHL)
28. Dalton Thrower (RD) - Saskatoon (WHL)
29. Ludvig Bystrom (LD) - Modo (SWE)
30. Adam Pelech (LD) - Erie (OHL)

1. Oscar Dansk - Brynas (SWE Jr.)
2. Malcolm Subban - Belleville (OHL)
3. Andrei Vasilevski - Ufa Tolpar (RUS Jr.)
4. Matt Murray - Ste. Sault Marie (OHL)
5. Chris Driedger - Calgary (WHL)

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Last I heard,Wilson was flying up the draft boards. I've never seen him play, but he's getting some big time praise. What say you?
Here is Brock's view on Wilson

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'll start by telling you what Wilson is. Wilson is absolutely a throw back to the power forwards of old. He's an absolute monster out there physically. He lowers the boom efficiently and consistently, and picks his spots well without sacrificing positioning or potential scoring chances. His physicality on the forecheck is especially outstanding as defenseman can hear him coming a mile away, resulting in panic and turnovers. His presence on the ice is known at all times. Wilson is a terrific fighter and a feared pugilist. He's also a beast in front of the net; a near immovable object for OHL defenseman once he gets position near the crease. He's also a great skater for a big man and has explosive quickness which he uses to get to loose pucks quickly. Now here's where my questions come in. How much potential as a goal scorer does Wilson have? For me the answer depends on the development of his shot, as I don't see his puck skills developing to the point where he becomes an offensive dynamo on drives to the net. He has good hands and that allows him to get a lot of goals in close, but to be a truly effective goal scorer he's going to have to work on improving his shot in the slot, especially on the one timer. Another question is, how's his hockey sense? For me, the answer is I don't think he's got terrific goal scoring instincts. But does he really need them if he can be an effective crease crasher.
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IMO the skill is just fine but its his sense and passing thats elite. Kind of like Patrick Elias.
I saw him a few times last season. I saw more Matt Cooke than Patrick Elias.

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Can anyone enlighten me more on the Petr Straka situation? Is he going back into the draft or becoming a UFA?

He has struggled since being drafted, but injuries really slowed him down. He bounced back with a really good showing in the playoffs for RO. He has the kind of skill and creativity the Pens woeful fwd prospects lack... I think he can be a good top six guy if he pans out.

If he goes back in the draft pool, I'd like to see Shero take a late flyer on him or sign him as a UFA.

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All of those blueliners and Aberg's injuries very well could have him sitting there at 22. Apparently he was playing phenomenal hockey, then got hurt, which has dropped his stock it seems. Very similar to Frk's situation.
This is my feeling exactly. I think there will be a big run on dmen picks 5-17 and a few of collberg, aberg, gaunce, girgensons, and galchenyuk will fall. hopefully with gaunce, and prob galy and girgensons, going right before our picks. leaving a choice of aberg or collberg. Either would make me exstatic, both fit our mold to a tee.

Regarding aberg, yes his injuries really slowed him. He had like 14 points the first 25 games in the sel, then injured his shoulder in a wjc exhibition against Canada. missed time, came back and then got concussed in Feb during a u-19 game. He returned near the end of the sel season but struggled to get his top 6 spot back. He did start to play better the last few games however.

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Can anyone enlighten me more on the Petr Straka situation? Is he going back into the draft or becoming a UFA?

He has struggled since being drafted, but injuries really slowed him down. He bounced back with a really good showing in the playoffs for RO. He has the kind of skill and creativity the Pens woeful fwd prospects lack... I think he can be a good top six guy if he pans out.

If he goes back in the draft pool, I'd like to see Shero take a late flyer on him or sign him as a UFA.
He was drafted out of the Q so I think he goes back into the draft.

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I saw him a few times last season. I saw more Matt Cooke than Patrick Elias.
I might be overly excited about him because I like to see kids that can pass coming up the ice at that age. Elias is elite but I do think HS's skills are undervalued.

We have an over ager here in NJ that is absolutly lights out and outscored JVR at younger ages. He'll never get a look because he played D2 but he's better that a lot of these Jersey kids being drafted. I know he's been working with a Blackhawks trainer, taken the ice with the Kopitar brothers and that he's going to go euro next year but it would be a shame if he can't get a look. I've played with Alex Velischek and if the Pens liked him enough to draft him they would wise to at least give this kid a WB tryout. -Sean Mctigue- He had NHLers going to his FLA National games just to watch him.

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He was drafted out of the Q so I think he goes back into the draft.
As far as I know the rules, any jr player not signed two years after being drafted, can re-enter the draft, but he has to be under 20.

I believe it is optional though. He can re-enter the draft or become a UFA. I may be wrong on that though...

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As far as I know the rules, any jr player not signed two years after being drafted, can re-enter the draft, but he has to be under 20.

I believe it is optional though. He can re-enter the draft or become a UFA. I may be wrong on that though...
His birthday is June 15th so he'll turn 20 just before the draft.

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