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06-02-2012, 08:19 AM
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Now? Forsberg. Book it. No Center, again, for us.

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There is a chance we get a significant centerman with our 2nd rounder.

Can Girgensons fall? Hertl? Prokhorkin? Jankowski? Gaunce? Maidens? Nieves? Sissons? Laughton? Some have higher upsides than others, but some of those guys will fall to us for sure.

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06-02-2012, 08:37 AM
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For a draft that was reportedly weak, this sure seems like a good draft!

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For a draft that was reportedly weak, this sure seems like a good draft!
Considering that the consensus seems to be that 1 or 2 prospects are NHL or close to NHL ready, I wouldn't say that.

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Considering that the consensus seems to be that 1 or 2 prospects are NHL or close to NHL ready, I wouldn't say that.
I think there are some surprises in this draft that are physically ready

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06-02-2012, 09:20 AM
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There is a chance we get a significant centerman with our 2nd rounder.

Can Girgensons fall? Hertl? Prokhorkin? Jankowski? Gaunce? Maidens? Nieves? Sissons? Laughton? Some have higher upsides than others, but some of those guys will fall to us for sure.
I don't see Girgensons going any further then past 15th, quite honestly.
Guys like Hertl, Gaunce, Sissons and Laughton could be late-first round picks but have the potential of slipping into the early-second round.
Jankowski, Maidens, Prokhorkin and Nieves are second rounders.

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For a draft that was reportedly weak, this sure seems like a good draft!
This is what you'll always hear when the draft is a few weeks away.

"This draft is weak, next year's is much stronger!"

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06-02-2012, 09:25 AM
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What about drafting Malcolm Subban with our second round pick if available ?

We really need a good goaltender in our depth chart and Malcolm would be a natural...

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06-02-2012, 09:28 AM
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What about drafting Malcolm Subban with our second round pick if available ?

We really need a good goaltender in our depth chart and Malcolm would be a natural...
He's going first round, I believe.

There are plenty of quality goaltender prospects that will be available in the third round and on. Francois Tremblay is a guy they should seriously consider in the 4th-5th round and a late round pick could be used on a Euro goalie like Ullberg or Ullmark.

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06-02-2012, 09:36 AM
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But if available... Do we draft him ?

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So I am listening to Mackenzie yesterday and he mentions a Russian Factor for Grigorenko and his lack of production in the playoffs, resulting in him dropping in the rankings.

A majority of us on these boards have been saying this for a while, but a small vocal minority on these boards kept saying we were all wrong.

I am so happy to have seen that Mackenzie has shut them up.

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06-02-2012, 09:39 AM
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But if available... Do we draft him ?
If he's available with their earlier 2nd round pick? I don't see why they wouldn't. He'd be a perfect steal.

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Considering that the consensus seems to be that 1 or 2 prospects are NHL or close to NHL ready, I wouldn't say that.
It's not NHL readiness that makes a draft a good one, it's potential. IMO this draft is interesting, but is probably the weakest of the last couple seasons. A good scout will still manage to find gems in every draft though.

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06-02-2012, 09:57 AM
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Strong candidates to re-enter the draft this year....Beaukeboom, Corbeil, Rensfelt, Sondre Olden (okay -40 doesn't look good...), Rutkowski (though I never believed in him in his draft year, yet...in the 7th round....), and I'm missing some others.....
I'm especially surprised that Rensfeldt and Donskoi went unsigned.

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I want Forsberg, please!

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If Roy couldn't motivate Grigorenko to play hard in junior then how will he be able to do that when Grigorenko grows up .
Did Grigorenko not have mononucleosis last year? If he did, it is pretty hard to play hard under those conditions.

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Looking back at the TSN rankings, they had the right top 3 in 5 of the past 8 years. I'm curious to see McKenzie's final rankings to see if Galchenyuk is in there or not...

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So I am listening to Mackenzie yesterday and he mentions a Russian Factor for Grigorenko and his lack of production in the playoffs, resulting in him dropping in the rankings.

A majority of us on these boards have been saying this for a while, but a small vocal minority on these boards kept saying we were all wrong.

I am so happy to have seen that Mackenzie has shut them up.
The kid was injured most of the second half of the season and got a mono... Give him a break ! He was still voted best Rookie in the whole CHL. it was his first year away from home (Russia), had to adapt and learn new language.

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06-02-2012, 10:41 AM
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BTW, Freaky Habs Fan, the TSN combine show is available on their site after-all.

I have to say, maybe the best part of Galchenyuk being a Hab would be seeing the complete disappointment/disgust from Leafs fans on draft night.

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06-02-2012, 11:20 AM
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The kid was injured most of the second half of the season and got a mono... Give him a break ! He was still voted best Rookie in the whole CHL. it was his first year away from home (Russia), had to adapt and learn new language.
The rookie thing is not that great when you consider all the good players available for this draft already had played one year and were not eligible. It's not fair that he's being compared to 16 years old.

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BTW, Freaky Habs Fan, the TSN combine show is available on their site after-all.

I have to say, maybe the best part of Galchenyuk being a Hab would be seeing the complete disappointment/disgust from Leafs fans on draft night.
Yeah... and I hope they don't get Forsberg either.

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06-02-2012, 11:32 AM
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European, British and Scandinavian guys are generally more mature than us NA guys at 18-25. I've seen it here overseas the last 16 years.

My best bud here is from the UK, and he was more mature at 23 than I was at 30. Tough guys over there.

This does not explain the Russians though! But they're all crazy and always have been, just read some Dostoevsky.

Other than the Russians, Europeans and Scandinavians are less spoiled than we are, and the WARS made their parents and grand parents much more strict I think.
Being almost 60yrs. old and from Wales,Dostoevsky wasn't required reading but was interesting.Definitely great writer.

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Not only Yakupov has to face the "russian factor", I wonder if anyone will insist about the Ramadan factor like they did with Kadri in 2009... I know it sounds ridiculous, but people did bring it up when Kadri was in his draft year.

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Not only Yakupov has to face the "russian factor", I wonder if anyone will insist about the Ramadan factor like they did with Kadri in 2009... I know it sounds ridiculous, but people did bring it up when Kadri was in his draft year.
The feeling I get from what little I've read about Yakupov's faith is that he isn't a strict adherent to its laws...

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Yeah... and I hope they don't get Forsberg either.
EDM - Yaku
CBJ - Fors
MTL - Galch
NYI - Grigo

That's my best case scenario (well, the best case scenario that doesn't feature Yaku falling to 3rd).

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Grigo looks terribly out of shape here. Was the mono more serious than anticipated or did he stop working out after the early playoffs exit?

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The Leafs' board is hilarious. They're trying to find a bunch or excuses for us not to pick Galchenyuk

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