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06-01-2012, 10:38 PM
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Hawks need to get tougher and grittier. Swapping Bolland for Gagner is the opposite of that.
Hey now! Gagner drops the mitts! Gagner also had what? an 8 point game!? insane!!

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06-01-2012, 10:42 PM
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Hey now! Gagner drops the mitts! Gagner also had what? an 8 point game!? insane!!
Yeah well, Bolland has a lamborghini... does Gagner have a lambo?

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ya because Corey Crawford is just SO much better!
That's the point. If you're moving Bolland, it will be for an upgrade in net.. not a lateral move/downgrade.

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much better defensive game? how often have you seen him play? Gagner was +5 this year on a 29th place team. Gagner also can play in all situations and can move up to #1 center when needed. there really isn't an upgrade here for the Oilers.
Did you seriously just pull out +/- in an attempt to show Gagner is anywhere near the defensive forward Bolland is.. seriously?

Bolland plays against and for the most part (especially when it counts) shuts down the best players in the NHL.

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That's the point. If you're moving Bolland, it will be for an upgrade in net.. not a lateral move/downgrade.
Khabibulin can still be your starter.

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Khabibulin can still be your starter.
While we're at it, we should sign Huet to be his back-up. Get the ol' tandem back together.

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Khabibulin can still be your starter.
If we want Khabibulin, we'll just offer you Olesz or something.

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While we're at it, we should sign Huet to be his back-up. Get the ol' tandem back together.
and Stevey Sullivan, maybe Bobo, if he's not too busy.

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Did you seriously just pull out +/- in an attempt to show Gagner is anywhere near the defensive forward Bolland is.. seriously?

Bolland plays against and for the most part (especially when it counts) shuts down the best players in the NHL.
yup, why let the facts get in the way of opinion.

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06-02-2012, 12:08 AM
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much better defensive game? how often have you seen him play? Gagner was +5 this year on a 29th place team. Gagner also can play in all situations and can move up to #1 center when needed. there really isn't an upgrade here for the Oilers.
Uhhh, Gagner can't and doesn't kill penalties. You're argument is asinine. I'm an Oilers fan and a Gagner supporter, but in no way does Gagner have the same type of defensive game Bolland does. It's not just Bolland's defensive game, but the pest manner he does it in that is so effective. You obviously didn't watch what he did to the Canucks during CHI's 2010 cup run.

That said, while we need a guy like Bolland, I wouldn't be an advocate of this trade. We have no better options than Gags for our top 6 (and I still think he's an adequate 2nd line C), and Horc is stuck with us, so I'm not sure where Bolland would fit in that mix.

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06-02-2012, 12:45 AM
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I would take Gagner over Bolland any time. Watch how many points Gagner puts up playing actual 2nd line minutes with some skilled players. A line of:
Hemsky; Gagner; Yak is going to be putting up good numbers.

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I would take Gagner over Bolland any time. Watch how many points Gagner puts up playing actual 2nd line minutes with some skilled players. A line of:
Hemsky; Gagner; Yak is going to be putting up good numbers.
Bolland can produce but his job is to play defence, kill penalties, create power plays and win faceoffs

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Bolland is not the answer for Edmonton,and Gagner is not the answer for Chicago.










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06-02-2012, 04:59 AM
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how about something like Gagner Tuebert/Marincin and Sutton for Boland and Hammer?
Flame away

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much better defensive game? how often have you seen him play? Gagner was +5 this year on a 29th place team. Gagner also can play in all situations and can move up to #1 center when needed. there really isn't an upgrade here for the Oilers.
Enough to know that his defensive game isn't up to much. Bolland had double the number of PK mins this year that Gagner has in his career.

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Hey all, I read an ESPN article (fwiw) that talked about Bolland possibly being redundant in Chicago and that they need some more scoring depth. Also an article in the Edmonton Journal about Bolland's defensive performance and grit that the Oilers should target.

Do you think there could be a deal to be had here?

Not going to get moved: Hall, RNH, Eberle, 1st overall, Petry, Smid.

Everything else could be included in some way.

Maybe something around Pajaarvi or Gagner (with Belanger included for some FO proficiency and defensive play)?
gagner for boland is a great deal for both teams


gagner is way better offence minded ..... when boland id defenve minded

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06-02-2012, 10:24 AM
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Bolland's defensive play isn't something not to right home about, neither is his FO ability. The Hawks had one of the worst PK's last year, so to brag about Bolland's defensive play is not a smart idea. Acquiring Bolland would be a step backwards for Edmonton, yes he might bring you some scoring to the 3rd line, but EDM's PK would suffer. He's not a good fit, rather wait for Lander or try out VV.


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06-02-2012, 11:06 AM
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I really like Gagner... but I'd need sweetner coming back in a Bolland/Gagner swap.

Ganger has higher offensive upside... but Bolland isn't lacking in that department either.

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Enough to know that his defensive game isn't up to much. Bolland had double the number of PK mins this year that Gagner has in his career.
Chicago's PK was 27th in the league this year, not really a good idea to base your posting on his PK ability.

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Chicago's PK was 27th in the league this year, not really a good idea to base your posting on his PK ability.
Neither is that in measuring a players defensive ability.

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06-02-2012, 11:37 AM
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I've been advocating it for a couple years now... but I think Bolland can be a 2nd line center. He has just never gotten a fair shake at it because he's "so good defensively" that apparently he's not able to carry his defensive play to a scoring role either...
From an outsider's POV, he could be a consistent 50-60 point producer on the second line but Q seems to be incredibly set in his ways in labeling players and his almost OCD approach to line matching. Much like the Staal in Pittsburgh argument his other attributes are masked by his role but unlike the Pens it's not because of the centers playing ahead of him.

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much better defensive game? how often have you seen him play? Gagner was +5 this year on a 29th place team. Gagner also can play in all situations and can move up to #1 center when needed. there really isn't an upgrade here for the Oilers.
Seriously? Gagner is not even close to being Bolland's class defensively. If he'd chalked up a +5 in a shutdown center role that'd be one thing but he didn't play that role.

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Neither is that in measuring a players defensive ability.
But they're basing Gagner's defense ability because he didn't play the PK. With Horcoff, and Belanger, would you have Gagner playing the PK, no. Gagner = Bolland all things aside and is more of a lateral move for both teams and both teams would pass.

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[QUOTE=StormCast;50422641
Seriously? Gagner is not even close to being Bolland's class defensively. If he'd chalked up a +5 in a shutdown center role that'd be one thing but he didn't play that role.[/QUOTE]

to end up as a +5 on a pretty bad team while playing against some of the top lines of other teams should tell you he plays a sound defensive game, maybe not up there with the mighty Bolland, but he's not as bad as the urban legend that has been going around the 'net about how Gagner is small, slow, soft and bad defensively.

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With Horcoff, and Belanger, would you have Gagner playing the PK, no. Gagner = Bolland all things aside and is more of a lateral move for both teams and both teams would pass.
That's faulty logic, but let's take it a step further for fun. So given your premise, when Horcoff or Belanger took a penalty, Gagner's D would have been used on the PK, right? No, he averaged 2 seconds/game and had just a bit over 3 1/2 mins for the season. Gagner and Bolland are not equal or similar players.

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to end up as a +5 on a pretty bad team while playing against some of the top lines of other teams should tell you he plays a sound defensive game, maybe not up there with the mighty Bolland, but he's not as bad as the urban legend that has been going around the 'net about how Gagner is small, slow, soft and bad defensively.
Gagner out against top lines was rare and certainly not an intended line match. Belanger and Horcoff were the options there. Gagner is below average defensively while Bolland is one of the best shutdown C's in the league. That's not to say Gagner has no value, he does. But don't try to sell the idea he is good defensively, that's just silly.

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Bolland's defensive play isn't something not to right home about, neither is his FO ability. The Hawks had one of the worst PK's last year, so to brag about Bolland's defensive play is not a smart idea. Acquiring Bolland would be a step backwards for Edmonton, yes he might bring you some scoring to the 3rd line, but EDM's PK would suffer. He's not a good fit, rather wait for Lander or try out VV.
I know the Oilers haven't been in the playoffs in a while but I suggest you watch them some time, Bolland's shut down some of the best Centers in the world..

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