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06-02-2012, 11:36 AM
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Last I heard,Wilson was flying up the draft boards. I've never seen him play, but he's getting some big time praise. What say you?
If this guy is a physical terror that can stand in front of the net and knock in loose pucks, I wouldn't mind at all if the Pens pick him.

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06-02-2012, 11:50 AM
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His birthday is June 15th so he'll turn 20 just before the draft.



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Ya that is how I remember the rule, but it says he "can" re-enter the draft. Not that he must...

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06-02-2012, 12:42 PM
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Ya that is how I remember the rule, but it says he "can" re-enter the draft. Not that he must...
I imagine most would prefer not to re-enter the draft if they have offers of ELC from other teams.

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I don't think players "opt-in" after they've already been eligible for the draft. So, if someone drafts Straka again, he's theirs. He's 20 so still eligible for draft re-entry.

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06-02-2012, 01:55 PM
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Last I heard,Wilson was flying up the draft boards. I've never seen him play, but he's getting some big time praise. What say you?
I've commented about Wilson numerous times (proof Cole doesn't read my posts! ), but basically I'm not sold on his offensive upside to see him as a 1st round selection. He's got some impressive physical tools (size, good skater for his size, physicality, etc.), but I don't know if he's got the hands, hockey sense, or creativity to be anything more than a Mike Rupp or Jared Boll.

For comparison, he hasn't shown anywhere near the puck skills, or ability to create or score that someone like Zach Kassian (another player drafted high recently with powerforward potential) showed in his junior days.

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06-02-2012, 02:33 PM
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I've commented about Wilson numerous times (proof Cole doesn't read my posts! ), but basically I'm not sold on his offensive upside to see him as a 1st round selection. He's got some impressive physical tools (size, good skater for his size, physicality, etc.), but I don't know if he's got the hands, hockey sense, or creativity to be anything more than a Mike Rupp or Jared Boll.

For comparison, he hasn't shown anywhere near the puck skills, or ability to create or score that someone like Zach Kassian (another player drafted high recently with powerforward potential) showed in his junior days.
I stay away from you prospect people. I'm an x's and o's guy around here, and I trust you guys when it comes to prospects. I heard a lot of people loving this Wilson guy. In fact, the mods did a draft and he was taken about 7 spots before the Pens even drafted. Then a couple people responded saying they wanted to take him. So I was really shocked when I heard someone say they didn't want him. So I was just wondering if there was a downside that people aren't discussing.

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06-02-2012, 04:20 PM
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I sincerely hope Wilson is gone by the time the Penguins pick him. He does a lot of things really well, but his offensive ceiling is way too low to be a first rounder in my eyes. He's the kind of guy who can park in front of the net and help that way...but he's a shade above worthless with the puck actually on his stick and that's pretty important. Thankfully I don't see him lasting until the Penguins pick...there's always going to be a GM that overvalues size and grit.

I like him as a rich man's Mike Rupp comparison. Remember, Rupp was originally a top 10 pick.

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Faksa at 16 is interesting. He's a big kid, great skating, 2-way center. It would be great having such a player in our prospect pool.

There's no chance Faksa is around anywhere near where we pick. He'll go higher than 16, so we'd have to move up a lot to do that, and I don't see that happening.


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Does anyone else like Samuelsson in the 1st? I like him more each time I watch him.

I think in this particular draft, I could see the Pens taking a flyer on a guy just because of one particular attribute: Samuelsson's bloodlines; Athanasiou's skating ability; Wilson's size/physicality; etc.


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I don't care what position they take in the first round except for goalie. If they think this or that person is the BPA then I hope they take them.
If there was ever a year to take a goalie in the 1st round, this is probably the year, considering we're picking outside of the top 12-14 (or anywhere you want to draw the line where the top forwards & Dmen will go). Especially if you're talking BPA strategy...

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06-02-2012, 05:53 PM
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I was really impressed with Athanasiou's skating in the few games I've seen of him but I don't no if he has the skills to translate to an NHL player especially not a top 6 one. He relies too much on his speed which can be defended by NHL players.

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I'd say the opposite, honestly. Speed is deadly in the NHL nowadays. I'd much rather have a speedy guy than one who relies on brute strength at the junior level, because that is less likely to transfer to the pro game.

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06-02-2012, 06:31 PM
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I'd say the opposite, honestly. Speed is deadly in the NHL nowadays. I'd much rather have a speedy guy than one who relies on brute strength at the junior level, because that is less likely to transfer to the pro game.
I think it's the same with both really, speed is great but if you don't have finish then it's wasted. He seems to have tested well at the combine so far which is pretty impressive considering he's listed at 6'0 179 so he should be able to put on a little more size.

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Does anyone else like Samuelsson in the 1st? I like him more each time I watch him.
If his skating takes a huge jump he could be a steal but as of now that skating is just ughhh. I wouldn't be devastated but I think there will be better players available.

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I don't think players "opt-in" after they've already been eligible for the draft. So, if someone drafts Straka again, he's theirs. He's 20 so still eligible for draft re-entry.
I assumed when I heard Col passed on him he would go into the draft pool again, but I heard he may become a UFA. I think my buddies mixed up jr/NCAA re-entry rules.

Straka may be there in the 4th. Maybe Shero uses Col pick to select him? This is a guy I have always liked. He is a slick, highly skilled player. I really think his injuries affected his play the last two seasons.

He also already has two years of development over anyone they could pick in that spot and he could play in the A next season.

Straka would add a big infusion of skill to the farm and is a lot closer to being NHL ready than almost any 4th rounder Shero could grab. This is one of those boom or bust, high skill picks we always clamor for on these boards..

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Troy Rutowski is going back into the draft. I wonder why he and Colorado couldn't/wouldn't agree on an ELC.

He has decent size, good defensive instincts, a tiny bit of offensive and is a leader on the Winterhawks. To me, he projects to be a solid bottom pairing defender at the pro level. I think he's worth a 4th or 5th round pick.

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The Hockey News have us taking improbably named Latvian center Zemgus Girgensons at #22. Bob Errey already heard giggling with glee.

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The Hockey News have us taking improbably named Latvian center Zemgus Girgensons at #22. Bob Errey already heard giggling with glee.
I'd be happy with a Girgensons pick. Looks like a guy with decent upside and low bust risk.

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I'd be happy with a Girgensons pick. Looks like a guy with decent upside and low bust risk.
Agreed.

Unlike the past few drafts, I don't really have one guy that I'm hoping for this year. Whomever we pick, I just hope they have an above average physical component to their game. Seems that Girgensons does.

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I wouldn't be upset with Samuelsson in the 1st.. skating aside he does everything else you could ask of a player. Physical, good size, good hands, etc.

Ultimately it'd depend on who else is available, of course.

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I was really impressed with Athanasiou's skating in the few games I've seen of him but I don't no if he has the skills to translate to an NHL player especially not a top 6 one. He relies too much on his speed which can be defended by NHL players.
I question his ability to utilize that speed in traffic. Too often, he seemed to take the outside route, instead of using his speed to drive to the net. I also don't know about his hockey sense.

Limited viewings, mind you, but he reminded me a bit of Rico Fata.

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I question his ability to utilize that speed in traffic. Too often, he seemed to take the outside route, instead of using his speed to drive to the net. I also don't know about his hockey sense.

Limited viewings, mind you, but he reminded me a bit of Rico Fata.
I noticed this to, though he did have one nice give and go in the memorial cup final where he passed it off to then used his speed to beat the defender to the return pass but he wasn't able to elevate the puck. I think he'd be a bit of a reach at 22nd.

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I noticed this to, though he did have one nice give and go in the memorial cup final where he passed it off to then used his speed to beat the defender to the return pass but he wasn't able to elevate the puck. I think he'd be a bit of a reach at 22nd.
The bolded is the key. Much like Tom Wilson, I don't necessarily hate the player. I just hate the player as a 1st round pick. If these guys are still available in the 2nd or 3rd round, I'd be fine with the Pens taking a chance on them. I just think each has too many limitations to use a 1st round pick on them.

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The bolded is the key. Much like Tom Wilson, I don't necessarily hate the player. I just hate the player as a 1st round pick. If these guys are still available in the 2nd or 3rd round, I'd be fine with the Pens taking a chance on them. I just think each has too many limitations to use a 1st round pick on them.
Have you seen any of Daniil Zharkov? Brock thinks that he probably has the biggest upside of any forward in the draft not named Yakupov or Galchenyuk.

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Have you seen any of Daniil Zharkov? Brock thinks that he probably has the biggest upside of any forward in the draft not named Yakupov or Galchenyuk.
He's projected to go late in the 2nd, I wouldn't mind the Pens picking him at 52.

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Have you seen any of Daniil Zharkov? Brock thinks that he probably has the biggest upside of any forward in the draft not named Yakupov or Galchenyuk.
I saw him a handful of times. It's hard to make an accurate judgment on him because all those viewings were against a bad Kingston Frontenacs team. So I don't know if he looked good because he *is* that good, or if he looked good because Kingston's defense sucks.

Having said that, he did look good. Good with the puck, nice scoring touch, and has size. He actually played pretty physical in the games I saw, but needs to use his size better when protecting the puck along the boards or driving to the net. He's also got consistency issues. One game he looked the most dominant player on the ice, the next I had to check the game sheet to even be sure he was dressed that night.

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He's projected to go late in the 2nd, I wouldn't mind the Pens picking him at 52.
Seems like he could be a really good pick at 52 if he's there. He seems like he has a lot of tools but the question is if he can use them correctly.

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