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06-03-2012, 09:26 AM
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I'm quite sure that was thrown around a lot after he was drafted by the Bruins. Afther his first 2 college years he was actually a top blue-chip prospect according to Bruins (and other NHL) fans. So lets not pretend like all the hype around him started the moment he was traded.
Hmmmmm...my buddy hates the Leafs...big Bruins fan. He didn't understand all the Leafs fans hoopla about Colborne. Told me at the time of the trade that Colborne was a bust. Just another big soft player that was over-rated. JUst used it as a glaring example of how Leaf fans over-hype every player they acquire...whether it be through FA, draft or trade. Really need to to temper our expectations I think and give a little credit to other GMs for at least having a clue. This idea that Burke is "fleecing" everybody while the team continues to suck is somewhat of a joke. Surely if he is fleecing teams that implies he is getting back much better than he is giving which should be reflected in team success. Still waiting.

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06-03-2012, 09:29 AM
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Hmmmmm...my buddy hates the Leafs...big Bruins fan. He didn't understand all the Leafs fans hoopla about Colborne. Told me at the time of the trade that Colborne was a bust. Just another big soft player that was over-rated. JUst used it as a glaring example of how Leaf fans over-hype every player they acquire...whether it be through FA, draft or trade. Really need to to temper our expectations I think and give a little credit to other GMs for at least having a clue. This idea that Burke is "fleecing" everybody while the team continues to suck is somewhat of a joke. Surely if he is fleecing teams that implies he is getting back much better than he is giving which should be reflected in team success. Still waiting.
good point. just to add to that i am starting to wonder about Gardiner...

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06-03-2012, 09:34 AM
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good point. just to add to that i am starting to wonder about Gardiner...
He has not looked good in the last two games. He's struggling.

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06-03-2012, 09:41 AM
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Hmmmmm...my buddy hates the Leafs...big Bruins fan. He didn't understand all the Leafs fans hoopla about Colborne. Told me at the time of the trade that Colborne was a bust. Just another big soft player that was over-rated. JUst used it as a glaring example of how Leaf fans over-hype every player they acquire...whether it be through FA, draft or trade. Really need to to temper our expectations I think and give a little credit to other GMs for at least having a clue. This idea that Burke is "fleecing" everybody while the team continues to suck is somewhat of a joke. Surely if he is fleecing teams that implies he is getting back much better than he is giving which should be reflected in team success. Still waiting.
Many considered it a "fleecing" due to expectations. A week or two before the deal many fans were looking at a 2nd + for Kaberle, instead we got a 1st + 2nd (conditional) and a former 1st round pick.

The Colborne hype started before his draft, Mess was a big fan and loved to throw around the Thornton comparisons. Not surprising those comments followed him to Boston (since they drafted Thornton) then on back to Toronto, on HFBoards at least.

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06-03-2012, 09:50 AM
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Many considered it a "fleecing" due to expectations. A week or two before the deal many fans were looking at a 2nd + for Kaberle, instead we got a 1st + 2nd (conditional) and a former 1st round pick.

The Colborne hype started before his draft, Mess was a big fan and loved to throw around the Thornton comparisons. Not surprising those comments followed him to Boston (since they drafted Thornton) then on back to Toronto, on HFBoards at least.
I posted pre-draft scouting reports where Joe Colborne himself when interviewed and compared/modeled his game after Joe Thornton.

It wasn't my comparison but rather his own. Here is one such post of mine : http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...32&postcount=7

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The scouts have been raving about Colborne’s explosive speed coupled with his towering 6’5” frame, which in all likelihood has yet to be filled out. Colborne plays the center position with notoriously soft hands and natural offensive instincts, thus the 52 points in 29 games played this season with Camrose. When asked about which current NHL players he would compare his style of play to, Colborne chose three who any General Manager in the right mind would undoubtedly love to have on their team.

“I feel like I am a skilled forward, and I try to model my game after players like Lecavalier, Thornton and Spezza,” Colborne said.

The 18-year-old forward has added seven more goals and eight helpers in 17 playoff games as the Kodiaks are once again in contention to win the AJHL title, tied at 3-3 against the Fort McMurray Oil Barons in the final series.

One scout told the Edmonton Sun that Colborne, who was rated 30th among North American skaters by the National Hockey League’s Central Scouting Service in January, is “as close to a Joe Thornton clone” as a player can be at this level.

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I posted pre-draft scouting reports where Joe Colborne himself when interviewed and compared/modeled his game after Joe Thornton.

It wasn't my comparison but rather his own.
If I do a search, do you think I find a post where you call him "Little Joe" or something similar? I didn't say you were the first to make that comparison, I said you threw it around.

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Funny thing that......but Big Joe was the next Thornton when the trade was made. Jumbo Joe was the centerpiece of that fleecing. Changing direction now? Funny how my Bruins fan buddy, told me the Leafs are welcome to Colborne becasue he was an over-rated soft wuss who refuses to use his size. Maybe he was right?
Sad little person, lying to make a point.

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He has not looked good in the last two games. He's struggling.
NCAA play like 40 games a year and hes at 90+ this year, I would say hes burning out. He still has 11 points in 15 games, I wouldn't worry to much.

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good point. just to add to that i am starting to wonder about Gardiner...
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He has not looked good in the last two games. He's struggling.
NCAA season is 40 something games long, In total he played 51 games last season, ~40 the two years prior, This season he is currently at 94 GP. It is fully understandable that he's slowing down.

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He has not looked good in the last two games. He's struggling.
The entire team hasn't looked good. they don't have enough goal scoring up front without Kadri and Frattin.

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No Kadri, no Frattin, No Zigomanis ... Regardless of the outcome of this series, no one will ever truly know who the better team was.

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06-03-2012, 01:15 PM
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No Kadri, no Frattin, No Zigomanis ... Regardless of the outcome of this series, no one will ever truly know who the better team was.
The better team is the team that wins. It has been that way since the dawn of civilization, not sure why it would be any different just because a couple guys are injured. Injuries are part of the game. It would be nice if Nazem Kadri could tough out his infected cuticle and put in an appearance though, since he's the savior and all.

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The better team is the team that wins. It has been that way since the dawn of civilization, not sure why it would be any different just because a couple guys are injured. Injuries are part of the game. It would be nice if Nazem Kadri could tough out his infected cuticle and put in an appearance though, since he's the savior and all.
Hasn't this routine become tiresome for you? There is nothing accurate, or clever about it... Every bloody day you roll out the same schlock, trolling for a fight, you sound like an autistic parrot. Get over it.

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The better team is the team that wins. It has been that way since the dawn of civilization, not sure why it would be any different just because a couple guys are injured. Injuries are part of the game. It would be nice if Nazem Kadri could tough out his infected cuticle and put in an appearance though, since he's the savior and all.
Its not just a couple of guys injured its the marlies top scorer, top play maker and top defensive forward.

If it was the other way around and the admirals were missing there best players, then hfboards would 100% say it was the only reason the marlies won.

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No need to panic yet. The Marlies can still shift the series momentum in Game 3. It's a must win but at home it's possible.

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good point. just to add to that i am starting to wonder about Gardiner...
Gardiner is nothing to worry about. Best thing this club has.

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The better team is the team that wins. It has been that way since the dawn of civilization, not sure why it would be any different just because a couple guys are injured. Injuries are part of the game. It would be nice if Nazem Kadri could tough out his infected cuticle and put in an appearance though, since he's the savior and all.
Yeah and too bad Frattin can't tough out the "Tiny bruise" on his knee

Yoou don't know how badly kadri is injured, so don't just assumr he's being a wimp.

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The better team is the team that wins. It has been that way since the dawn of civilization, not sure why it would be any different just because a couple guys are injured. Injuries are part of the game. It would be nice if Nazem Kadri could tough out his infected cuticle and put in an appearance though, since he's the savior and all.
That's not necessarily true. No one can deny that the Marlies are a much better team with their top three forwards in the lineup as opposed to with them out of it. The fact that Kadri, Frattin and Zigomanis are injured is simply lucky for Norfolk, and doesn't necessarily make them better than the Marlies. I'm not saying that the Admirals wouldn't have been in the position they currently are in even if we didn't have any injuries, but to say we are definitely the lesser team when we are missing a number of key players is not accurate. The Marlies are not necessarily inferior, but they are more unforunate.

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He has not looked good in the last two games. He's struggling.
He's probably tiring out. 94GP in his first full professional season.

Not to mention the ice in Norfolk's arena is just atrocious. Eakins described it as the worst he'd ever seen. Bad ice would really derail Gardiner's game because it relies so much on his elite skating level.

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He's probably tiring out. 94GP in his first full professional season.

Not to mention the ice in Norfolk's arena is just atrocious. Eakins described it as the worst he'd ever seen. Bad ice would really derail Gardiner's game because it relies so much on his elite skating level.
First point: fair.

Second point: Not fair, suck it up. Norfolk has to play on the ****** ice too...

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The better team is the team that wins. It has been that way since the dawn of civilization, not sure why it would be any different just because a couple guys are injured. Injuries are part of the game. It would be nice if Nazem Kadri could tough out his infected cuticle and put in an appearance though, since he's the savior and all.
Not a lot of teams can survive with their top line out.

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First point: fair.

Second point: Not fair, suck it up. Norfolk has to play on the ****** ice too...
They're probably so used to playing on ****** ice that's it's an advantage for them

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First point: fair.

Second point: Not fair, suck it up. Norfolk has to play on the ****** ice too...
I remember some Senators (or was it the meadia reporting that) complaining about bad ice back in 07 when they were playing in Anaheim in Cup finals. Maybe they get the benefit of being used to it unlike their oponents. I do get your point though.

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Colborne is a -4. If they benched him, they would be tied 1-1 right now.
I've been more impressed by Joe than at any other time I've seen him, his compete
level has increased, he's been effective on the Draws, I thought him, Ashton, and Abbott have shown the most offensive upside. Some of the defensemen haven't been great is an understatement, Blacker and Percy should be playing in place of guy's who don't want to play or have no future with the Leafs. Their foot speed has been exposed.

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I've been more impressed by Joe than at any other time I've seen him, his compete
level has increased, he's been effective on the Draws, I thought him, Ashton, and Abbott have shown the most offensive upside. Some of the defensemen haven't been great is an understatement, Blacker and Percy should be playing in place of guy's who don't want to play or have no future with the Leafs. Their foot speed has been exposed.
Who are you and what have you done with Freebird?!

I agree A lot are kick on joe but his drive yesterday was very visible. I think next year might be a very big one for him.

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