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06-03-2012, 01:49 PM
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nor does he want to play.

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06-03-2012, 02:18 PM
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Regarding Flyer players winning in other cities, there is a long list that hasn't as well. Handzus, O'Donnell, Woywitka, Sbisa, Boucher, Asham, Parent, Pitkanen, etc.

The biggest problem I think is losing Pronger. Pronger is a top 5 d-man when healthy. When he came, the team went to the Cup finals. The next year he was injured and we got destroyed by Boston and our own inept goaltending. This year, Pronger is out AND Mezaros.

The Flyers have more or less lost Lindros, Primeau, and Pronger to concussion. This doesn't help.

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06-03-2012, 02:59 PM
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Regarding Flyer players winning in other cities, there is a long list that hasn't as well. Handzus, O'Donnell, Woywitka, Sbisa, Boucher, Asham, Parent, Pitkanen, etc.

The biggest problem I think is losing Pronger. Pronger is a top 5 d-man when healthy. When he came, the team went to the Cup finals. The next year he was injured and we got destroyed by Boston and our own inept goaltending. This year, Pronger is out AND Mezaros.

The Flyers have more or less lost Lindros, Primeau, and Pronger to concussion. This doesn't help.
true, your probably right, the problem i have with weber is that he might be good leader and captain but he's never been to the finals which is why pronger was brought here because he had cup experience, the need someone with cup experience on defense or offense.

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06-03-2012, 03:17 PM
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no he won't. sharp didn't become what he was til he left. sbisa was worth trading for pronger and jvr has been given lots of time to show more consistency and he hasn't.
It's time people start to accept the Pronger era for what it was: a gamble that didn't pay off.

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06-03-2012, 03:35 PM
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It's time people start to accept the Pronger era for what it was: a gamble that didn't pay off.

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06-03-2012, 03:43 PM
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And for those of us who don't watch cartoons?

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06-03-2012, 03:51 PM
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It's time people start to accept the Pronger era for what it was: a gamble that didn't pay off.
I think it was less of a gamble in that it wasn't like trading for a player with concussion problems. For example, when the Rangers traded for Lindros, that was a gamble, because it was not known if Lindros would ever return adequately from concussion problems.

No one can predict injury. From 2003 to 2010 Pronger missed only like 30 games.

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06-03-2012, 03:51 PM
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And for those of us who don't watch cartoons?
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06-03-2012, 03:55 PM
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I think it was less of a gamble in that it wasn't like trading for a player with concussion problems. For example, when the Rangers traded for Lindros, that was a gamble, because it was not known if Lindros would ever return adequately from concussion problems.

No one can predict injury. From 2003 to 2010 Pronger missed only like 30 games.
Any time you give up a good young player and two first rounders for a 35 year old it's a gamble.


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Captain Hindsight.
Hindsight would have been saying we should have never made the trade. It was a gamble and everyone knew it at the time. Just how much will we win before this move puts our organization back? The answer was not enough, and it's time for some fans to come to grips with that.

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06-03-2012, 04:27 PM
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06-03-2012, 04:43 PM
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Any time you give up a good young player and two first rounders for a 35 year old it's a gamble.
You forgot that we got Ryan Dingle in that trade too!

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06-03-2012, 10:24 PM
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Every former Flyer? When did Ray Emery ever win a cup that wasn't a red solo one?

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06-03-2012, 10:29 PM
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Every former Flyer? When did Ray Emery ever win a cup that wasn't a red solo one?
i think he was padding that stat. upshall, umberger, and lots of others no cup. adam oates one of the best passers no cup

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06-04-2012, 04:22 AM
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Any time you give up a good young player and two first rounders for a 35 year old it's a gamble.




Hindsight would have been saying we should have never made the trade. It was a gamble and everyone knew it at the time. Just how much will we win before this move puts our organization back? The answer was not enough, and it's time for some fans to come to grips with that.
The fact that Pronger took a stick to the eye has nothing to do with his age. Either way, it's Chris ****ing Pronger. That's a gamble worth taking every time.

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06-04-2012, 04:32 AM
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This is an easy one. They are supplemental players playing on a good team. It was a perfect fit for the kings looking for an awesome second line. They were the C and A here while they are nothing in LA so they just play their game and let the other guys take on the stress of wearing the letters. They tried their best here and i wish them the best and hope they win the cup! They loved it here.

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06-04-2012, 05:37 AM
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We don't have enough bad-decent prospects to contend.

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06-04-2012, 07:37 AM
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This is an easy one. They are supplemental players playing on a good team. It was a perfect fit for the kings looking for an awesome second line. They were the C and A here while they are nothing in LA so they just play their game and let the other guys take on the stress of wearing the letters. They tried their best here and i wish them the best and hope they win the cup! They loved it here.
Yes, this sums it up perfectly. They also don't have media to deal with in LA who would have been grilling Carter for not scoring more in the playoffs so far as well as finding some moronic non-issue of which to make an issue.

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06-04-2012, 07:50 AM
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Flyers don't want to win a cup? Come on it is what it is goaltending, injuries, coaching, GM, team chemistry, pick one it's just how the chips fall, teams get hot at different times, I don't think Philly is an org that doesn't want to win a cup, they just haven't won a cup, it could go either way making trades signing certian players no cup=bust, I always find it funny how teams who make it to the finals are elevated to this amazing team status, like this year's final of course the Debbies are in it, and beat the right teams to get there but if you look at regular season and talent wise there are better teams in the NHL that have been golfing for awhile, styles make match-ups is basically what I'm saying here, you can make all the trades and signings you want, but there is always a team that might not be better than you but their style is a nightmare for you, ie just like the Rags destroyed the Flyers this year everytime we played they had our number alopng with the Jets, it doesn't mean the Flyers as an org don't want to win a cup

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06-04-2012, 08:16 AM
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Goaltending.

Apparently you CAN win with carter & richards and a good goalie.

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06-04-2012, 10:05 AM
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We also cannot make moves at the deadline. Look at past winners. Nearly all of them have made a significant move either just before or on the deadline.

We cannot do this because we have had Rathje, Hatcher, Primeau,Lapperiere and now Pronger on LTIR which forbids us from adding porated contracts.

Seriously, with a bit more cap room, the flyers could have been looking at significant improvements on the team before heading into the play-offs. Instead we always got stuck with cheap half season rentals, many of which failed on the team.

The only significant peices I can remember that made a solid contribution in the play-offs for us were Vinnie Prospal and Grossman.

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06-04-2012, 10:51 AM
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We also cannot make moves at the deadline. Look at past winners. Nearly all of them have made a significant move either just before or on the deadline.

We cannot do this because we have had Rathje, Hatcher, Primeau,Lapperiere and now Pronger on LTIR which forbids us from adding porated contracts.

Seriously, with a bit more cap room, the flyers could have been looking at significant improvements on the team before heading into the play-offs. Instead we always got stuck with cheap half season rentals, many of which failed on the team.

The only significant peices I can remember that made a solid contribution in the play-offs for us were Vinnie Prospal and Grossman.
2nd for Kubina may be one of the worst trades Homer has ever made. I really can't think of a more useless way to throw away a 2nd round pick. Had he thrown that at minny earlier(and added a phantom or two) and tried to grab Zidlicky, our luck may of changed this year even. Kubina was a useless over the hill plug who couldn't even beat out lilja. He was brought in to help the D and really he made it even worse.

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06-04-2012, 10:54 AM
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Goaltending.

Apparently you CAN win with carter & richards and a good goalie.
Carter and Richards are complimentary role players in LA; in Philly they were the two most important pieces of the team.

I'm happy that the guys are most likely going to win a Cup, and that the Flyers have a bright future. LA has the D, F depth and goalie to beat anyone. When 17 and 18 were here they only had the F depth and two D pairings.

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06-04-2012, 11:17 AM
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It has? I know when Lavy took over for Stevens it was pretty good but after that season it has looked atrocious to me. The thing that hurt the most was losing our good defensive forwards like Betts/Powe/Lappy/Richards/Carter.
and PRONGER!

(also kimmo has looked like a shell of his former self. He cannot be our #1 dman anymore. Ever since we got CP, he's been a great supporting dman but not the #1)

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and PRONGER!

(also kimmo has looked like a shell of his former self. He cannot be our #1 dman anymore. Ever since we got CP, he's been a great supporting dman but not the #1)
Kimmo was the best defenseman on the team til the all star break. Too bad he was playing 25 mins a night and got worn down. He's far from a "shell", he's still a great defenseman, he just can't handle the top minutes night in and night out which is expected of someone in their late 30's.

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It's time people start to accept the Pronger era for what it was: a gamble that didn't pay off.
The Flyers were one OT goal away from going to Game 7 of the 2010 finals. If 2012 finals Jeff Carter could have lit the lamp in that game, we could have won the cup.

It's unfortunate that Pronger got injured beyond repair this season. I hate to call it a gamble that didn't pay off when his injury was a freak accident. ***** happens.

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