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06-03-2012, 04:00 PM
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I've been wondering for some time whether or not we should think about trading Postma and/or Kulda for something (likely picks I would imagine).

With regards to Postma, from what I understand he sounds like a Buff-lite. Good on the offense, not too good at defense. I've read here if we were to trade out Enstrom we should look to Postma to fill the position. Ignoring the difference in ability there is the simple fact Enstrom is LH and Postma is RH. If were to trade anyone and expect Postma to fill the spot I think it would be Buff. Otherwise I think we should try to trade Postma for something useful. I don't know what we could get, maybe a 2nd or third, no idea really?

I like Kulda, think he plays a pretty decent game and was disappointed when he didn't get to stay with the team when he got called up. From the bit I watched him and what I've read about him it seems he would make a pretty good bottom pairing defenceman. The problem with that on the Jets is Stuart has the bottom pairing LD pretty much sewn up. Now my questions is, once Kulda gets a season or two of NHL experience how much of a drop would there be between him and what we have now in Stuart? If Kulda could play the left side for a season and put Stuart on his offside (right) and then trade Stuart, in theory that would be better asset management. We would take something no one wants (Kulda), turn him into something we need (Stuart 2.0), and trade the now surplus Stuart who other teams would want.

If there's anything we have in our system it's middling defensive prospects. We need to start making good use of them to improve the team and I think, in theory, that is the way we should make use of those two.

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i wouldn't panic on this topic. For me allot comes down to what TNSE are going to do in the Free agent market and also with Hainsey and Enstrom this year? We will have to address our top 4 defence since Toby and Ron will be free agents in less than 13 months. As for what to do this year with Kluda and Postma, I think we have to wait and see what happens with injuries, trades, and free agent signings? I would like to see both Kluda and Postma get some time on the big club this year if they earn the shot and from there lets see what they can do. Postma seems to be a Petry prototype and he did alright last season for the Oilers. The good news is our organization has made a significant investment in developing these prospects and I would hate to turn them now before we have a chance to see how they do at the next level. Depth in defence never hurts and as stated earlier I don't think the timing is great on moving them if we want to maximize return on our investment.

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It would be fun to hear some of the St John's fans take on Postma? Strengths, weaknesses, and thoughts on him making the move to the next level.

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It would be fun to hear some of the St John's fans take on Postma? Strengths, weaknesses, and thoughts on him making the move to the next level.
I only got too see him several times this year and last by watching them on away games (mainly in Hamilton and Toronto).

What I did notice was that he's constantly been improving his overall game. Both offensively and defensively.

I will admit I'm still worried about him as a prospect. He definitely needs more development time as he still has mental breakdowns from time to time. One thing I notice is that when things don't come naturally to him in a game he'll try forcing things and often times will get burned on it. Improper pinches and trying to carry the puck up ice himself too often are what I'm talking about. He'll get frustrated and have these mental lapses for an entire period. It always seems like he needs the time to refocus because the next period he often comes out looking as smooth as butter, although when watching the playoffs online, it seemed like he carried those gaffs across periods; so it would seem he needs some mental work. Not a ton, but too many times I'll see him forcing plays and become a turnover machine. Most often with trying to force passes out of the zone.

The thing that worries me the most is his skating. It's below par at best and for most offensive defensemen in this league that often has to be one of the top tools in your arsenal.

The best tool he has however is his slapshot. It's way above NHL average in my opinion. The the has great boom and velocity coming off his stick. The thing that impresses me the most however is the precision and aim he has with it. It's like a heat-seeker missile and can be mesmerizing at times to be honest. He has the uncanny ability to get it past multiple bodies and into the back of the net. He'll take put shots into a crowd that you wouldn't dream of taking and they'll find their way past the bodies and the tender and into the net.

That being said he needs to add more tools. His wrist shot is decent, but like I said the skating is concern numero-uno. Without the skating he can't always carry the puck into play the way he does in the AHL. He also can't make up for his own gaffs while free-wheeling in centre ice or in the offensive zone by skating and catching back up to the play and I think we've all seen enough of WTB (What-The-Byfuglien) to know exactly what that's like. The other obvious skill is that he could be a little more physical. Others might look at his height and expect A LOT more, but he has a leaner build and frame and no one should be expecting him to be a bruiser. He does have good stick-work and that's mainly what he relies on too remove pucks from opposing forwards. His overall defensive game does need some work, but it's actually not half bad. Most of his defensive problems come mainly from turnovers.

Overall as for NHL potential, he definitely has it. The only problem is that it's very hard to find him a spot on this Winnipeg Jets roster. Postma is a right-handed PP-specialist. We already have Byfuglien manning the top unit and Bogosian on the second. Postma may be better than Bogo on the second unit, but to be frank Bogo isn't bad and I'd much rather see Bogo's overall game develop rather than get the few possible overall points Postma might give the powerplay.

He would also need considerable offensive-zone % starts. If given the right atmosphere he could definitely succeed, but it just happens his role on this team is already pretty full and we're not heavily stocked with defensive stalwarts to allow for him to be eating up much of the offensive-zone starts.

I wish the best for him, but to be blatantly honest he and Noel to some extent are going to have to be putting in some serious work for him to be making the team any time soon.

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Thanks Sweech that is a comprehensive and sobering breakdown of one of our best defensive prospects. Needless to say based on this information and the fact that we have two pending free agents next summer in Toby and Ron we have some work to do in the free agent market to protect ourselves.

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I like what that guy said about Postma. Most of what he said is true. He has a lot of defensive lapses which is obviously his downfall. However, I feel a need to take up for him on the point of him not being a great skater. Postma is one of the smoothest, fastest skating defenseman i've seen in the AHL this year. He doesn't use it all the time, but when he comes around the back of the net and starts rushing up the ice, he usually blows by a few players and always gets in the zone deep enough for a shot on net. His rushing game is completely underrated. As for his shot, you're completely right. It seems as though whenever he unloads, he scores. The problem is that he wont unload enough. The IceCaps powerplay was horrid all year. Every time Postma seemed to get the puck in a shooting position he would hesitate to shoot and make a dumb pass. If he shot the puck more he would have scored a lot more this year.

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I've a couple similar rumblings around the draft too, I would guess most here would be in favour of this due to the scare with the Schultz loophole.

Honestly not sure which path I'd prefer for Trouba, lean a bit to NCAA due to him having to play against bigger / stronger competition.

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I like what that guy said about Postma. Most of what he said is true. He has a lot of defensive lapses which is obviously his downfall. However, I feel a need to take up for him on the point of him not being a great skater. Postma is one of the smoothest, fastest skating defenseman i've seen in the AHL this year. He doesn't use it all the time, but when he comes around the back of the net and starts rushing up the ice, he usually blows by a few players and always gets in the zone deep enough for a shot on net. His rushing game is completely underrated. As for his shot, you're completely right. It seems as though whenever he unloads, he scores. The problem is that he wont unload enough. The IceCaps powerplay was horrid all year. Every time Postma seemed to get the puck in a shooting position he would hesitate to shoot and make a dumb pass. If he shot the puck more he would have scored a lot more this year.
I've still never come away feeling impressed with his skating. Although I may be completely biased, as I want to see you almost blow by guys in the AHL (not exactly the best skating league). I also should factor in that he's taller/lanky and his skating will never look completely fluid.

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There's speculation on the prospect board that Trouba is heading to Kitchener next season.

I knew they held his rights, but he sounded pretty committed to Michigan in his interviews.

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I don't know enough about either situation (his environment and program in the NCAA vs Kitchener), I only hope that if the Jets convince him to go to Kitchener, that there isn't any hard feelings.

He was very committed to Michigan before the draft.

http://www.freep.com/article/2012062...1-of-NHL-Draft

"Asked what his plans were for next year, Trouba said: "I'm going to Michigan next year to play there. I'm excited to get my education underway."

Trouba said he was excited to play for coach Red Berenson.

Does Winnipeg support Trouba's decision to play college hockey?

"Yeah," Trouba said. "They expect that, and I'm glad they do. I made it clear that's where I was going. I wanted them to know that picking me.""

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There's speculation on the prospect board that Trouba is heading to Kitchener next season.

I knew they held his rights, but he sounded pretty committed to Michigan in his interviews.
That would suprise me WJG I heard him on Hustler and Lawless a few days after the draft and he was still very excited about going to Michigan this year, although he made it clear his number one priority was playing in the NHL and when the Jets feel he is ready to go he willl be all over it.

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Didn't know where to put this and wasn't sure if it was mentioned but...

I was checking out the ECHL main site tonight and noticed a few of our ECHL affiliate (Colorado Eagles) players won some awards. Including league MVP, defenseman of the year and the Sportsmanship award.

Chad Costello won MVP, Aaron Shneeckloth won best defenseman and Kevin Ulanski won the sportsmanship award.

I understand these guys have an extremely low percentage chance of ever cracking the NHL, but regardless, good for them and it's nice to see our affiliate is doing good work.

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I'm a season ticket holder with the IceCaps.

The organization is incredible, and will very quickly become (if not already have) the envy of the AHL.

Their season ticket holders have increased from 4,500 last year to a little over 5,000 this year. In the grand scheme of things, it's incredibly difficult to get a ticket to a game in St. John's. Anybody who's anybody - wants to be at the games any given night.

You'd swear we had an NHL team here the way things are run and set up. People playing instruments and partying in the streets outside Mile One after the games; which then spills onto george street. Drummers drumming, people screaming and hanging out of cars. It's controlled madness.

McCambridge and a few of the players who enjoyed some call-up time last year said it best - St. John's is a miniture Winnipeg right now. Given the fact our city is running on a smaller scale of 225,000 population (included surrounding areas close enough to take in a game).

St. John's will easily sell out every game again this year. Infact, I will predict that by the end of October, 85% of the games will be sold out. The other 15% will be single unpaired seats, that do eventually sell -the closer it comes to gameday-.


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Thanks IceCapsNation! This news comes as no surprise to Manitobans -- TNSE's AHL operation had a sterling reputation here in Winnipeg and it looks like they just moved that out east.

Also great to hear that St. J is selling even more season tickets than last year. I'm not surprised at all. I've said before, but I'll say it again -- I'm REALLY thrilled at how this whole arrangement worked out. St. John's is obviously an awesome hockey market, and you guys really deserved an organization that's committed to keeping pro hockey there. I know you guys had some issues with that in the past but knowing TNSE, that's an organization that places a premium on loyalty.

You'll also have the benefit of the fact the Jets are fairly committed to having prospects develop slowly. A lot of great players will be coming through there and sticking around awhile, and it's clear there's no better place for them to develop than St. John's with the atmosphere there.

Zinger has a good eye for hidden talent and character guys too so expect the IceCaps to suss out some real winners on AHL contracts that will bring you a lot of joy over the years.

Your game-day description has me excited, I'm hoping to make the trek out there for a game and a visit sometime.

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Like IceCapsNation I am a STH as well and I can't believe how things have transpired.

Never would have thought the team would be sucessful as it is.Both sides deserve credit just been terrific.Glad to show people the great hockey market we are.

I just wanted some form of Hockey back and we got a great group of people running things.

Hope we can be a perannual contender and judgeing by Zinger's past it's safe to assume so.

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I think Melchiori is poised to step up with a big year with St. John's this season in his first full year as a pro. At the prospect camp he looked really solid in my view, at least the day I was there. Great size, very rangy.

He seems very dedicated and mature for his age as well...
http://video.jets.nhl.com/videocente...ed-share-video

Melchiori is also spending the summer working out at Gary Roberts' camp.

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I think Melchiori is poised to step up with a big year with St. John's this season in his first full year as a pro. At the prospect camp he looked really solid in my view, at least the day I was there. Great size, very rangy.

He seems very dedicated and mature for his age as well...
http://video.jets.nhl.com/videocente...ed-share-video

Melchiori is also spending the summer working out at Gary Roberts' camp.
I expect big things from him and Will O'Neill this season.Guys will have plenty of ice time and they should progess nicely.

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O'neill, Melchiori - this two should be dominant. But more and more I'm curious what happend with Chiarot and Sol ( in capgeek Cody left only 2 years ELC why?? He was play in juniors last season). I would love this two in 3rd def parinng as "big-tower's"...I'm trying this in my nhl12 dynasti


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I only got too see him several times this year and last by watching them on away games (mainly in Hamilton and Toronto).

What I did notice was that he's constantly been improving his overall game. Both offensively and defensively.

I will admit I'm still worried about him as a prospect. He definitely needs more development time as he still has mental breakdowns from time to time. One thing I notice is that when things don't come naturally to him in a game he'll try forcing things and often times will get burned on it. Improper pinches and trying to carry the puck up ice himself too often are what I'm talking about. He'll get frustrated and have these mental lapses for an entire period. It always seems like he needs the time to refocus because the next period he often comes out looking as smooth as butter, although when watching the playoffs online, it seemed like he carried those gaffs across periods; so it would seem he needs some mental work. Not a ton, but too many times I'll see him forcing plays and become a turnover machine. Most often with trying to force passes out of the zone.

The thing that worries me the most is his skating. It's below par at best and for most offensive defensemen in this league that often has to be one of the top tools in your arsenal.

The best tool he has however is his slapshot. It's way above NHL average in my opinion. The the has great boom and velocity coming off his stick. The thing that impresses me the most however is the precision and aim he has with it. It's like a heat-seeker missile and can be mesmerizing at times to be honest. He has the uncanny ability to get it past multiple bodies and into the back of the net. He'll take put shots into a crowd that you wouldn't dream of taking and they'll find their way past the bodies and the tender and into the net.

That being said he needs to add more tools. His wrist shot is decent, but like I said the skating is concern numero-uno. Without the skating he can't always carry the puck into play the way he does in the AHL. He also can't make up for his own gaffs while free-wheeling in centre ice or in the offensive zone by skating and catching back up to the play and I think we've all seen enough of WTB (What-The-Byfuglien) to know exactly what that's like. The other obvious skill is that he could be a little more physical. Others might look at his height and expect A LOT more, but he has a leaner build and frame and no one should be expecting him to be a bruiser. He does have good stick-work and that's mainly what he relies on too remove pucks from opposing forwards. His overall defensive game does need some work, but it's actually not half bad. Most of his defensive problems come mainly from turnovers.

Overall as for NHL potential, he definitely has it. The only problem is that it's very hard to find him a spot on this Winnipeg Jets roster. Postma is a right-handed PP-specialist. We already have Byfuglien manning the top unit and Bogosian on the second. Postma may be better than Bogo on the second unit, but to be frank Bogo isn't bad and I'd much rather see Bogo's overall game develop rather than get the few possible overall points Postma might give the powerplay.

He would also need considerable offensive-zone % starts. If given the right atmosphere he could definitely succeed, but it just happens his role on this team is already pretty full and we're not heavily stocked with defensive stalwarts to allow for him to be eating up much of the offensive-zone starts.

I wish the best for him, but to be blatantly honest he and Noel to some extent are going to have to be putting in some serious work for him to be making the team any time soon.
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I like what that guy said about Postma. Most of what he said is true. He has a lot of defensive lapses which is obviously his downfall. However, I feel a need to take up for him on the point of him not being a great skater. Postma is one of the smoothest, fastest skating defenseman i've seen in the AHL this year. He doesn't use it all the time, but when he comes around the back of the net and starts rushing up the ice, he usually blows by a few players and always gets in the zone deep enough for a shot on net. His rushing game is completely underrated. As for his shot, you're completely right. It seems as though whenever he unloads, he scores. The problem is that he wont unload enough. The IceCaps powerplay was horrid all year. Every time Postma seemed to get the puck in a shooting position he would hesitate to shoot and make a dumb pass. If he shot the puck more he would have scored a lot more this year.
Good posts guys.

I have heard Postma compared to Petry in The past and they are similar size and have put up similar numbers along the way in their careers. My concern is that Perty is a far better skater and is more apt to compete physically but it sounds like Postma might have some skating chops. The complaint your hear on Petry is he can't get his shot through from the point to save his life whereas Postma is the opposite.

Hopefully Postma keeps progressing

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I think Melchiori is poised to step up with a big year with St. John's this season in his first full year as a pro. At the prospect camp he looked really solid in my view, at least the day I was there. Great size, very rangy.

He seems very dedicated and mature for his age as well...
http://video.jets.nhl.com/videocente...ed-share-video

Melchiori is also spending the summer working out at Gary Roberts' camp.
Great to hear this...I remember coming away from watching all of those prospect games from Penticton last summer and being very impressed with Redmond and Melchiori - seems like they are both moving in the right direction

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http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...velopment-camp
A nice little update on some of our prospects

Note: the author discusses how awesome Redmond pairs with Melchiori and the IceCaps coach noted as such also

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http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...velopment-camp
A nice little update on some of our prospects

Note: the author discusses how awesome Redmond pairs with Melchiori and the IceCaps coach noted as such also
It sounds like Redmond has defiantly turned some heads. It will be interesting to see what they do with both Redmond and Postma this season, and if they move a defenseman to possibly make room for one of them.

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It sounds like Redmond has defiantly turned some heads. It will be interesting to see what they do with both Redmond and Postma this season, and if they move a defenseman to possibly make room for one of them.
I believe Redmond will flourish with 1 full year in St. Johns being " the man" now that Postma will be in Winnipeg. That will help Redmons development greatly, and then next year be a legit contender for a spot in Winnipeg.

Chiraot I found to be weak on the puck. Not physically mature enough to play his position yet. Mind you that's based on the few games he had with St. Johns . Hopefully this year he's developed more and will benefit playing with guys like Meech and Redmond.

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I believe Redmond will flourish with 1 full year in St. Johns being " the man" now that Postma will be in Winnipeg. That will help Redmons development greatly, and then next year be a legit contender for a spot in Winnipeg.

Chiraot I found to be weak on the puck. Not physically mature enough to play his position yet. Mind you that's based on the few games he had with St. Johns . Hopefully this year he's developed more and will benefit playing with guys like Meech and Redmond.
I'm kinda interested to see what the lines will look like next year for St Johns...
Most likely 1 or both of Machecek and Cormier (my gamble is Cormier will be down since he still has waiver elgibility)...
Many D comming in with Sol, Chariot, Melchiori, Redmond all looking for roles/bigger roles...
Telegin will be coming in and could be a great match with Klingberg...

I didn't follow St John's until the Jet's were out last season but that will be different this year for sure!

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I'm kinda interested to see what the lines will look like next year for St Johns...
Most likely 1 or both of Machecek and Cormier (my gamble is Cormier will be down since he still has waiver elgibility)...
Many D comming in with Sol, Chariot, Melchiori, Redmond all looking for roles/bigger roles...
Telegin will be coming in and could be a great match with Klingberg...

I didn't follow St John's until the Jet's were out last season but that will be different this year for sure!
O'Neill will also be joining the defensive corps. O'Dell and Gregoire will play much bigger roles. And Pasquale will be the goaltender this coming season.

The IceCaps will be a younger, less experienced team. Gone will be DeSantis, Rosa, Kulda and Postma. Alot of guys getting their first real shots at proving themselves at the professional level. That is why we shouldn't expect the team to be as strong next year as last.

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Originally Posted by garret9 View Post
I'm kinda interested to see what the lines will look like next year for St Johns...
Most likely 1 or both of Machecek and Cormier (my gamble is Cormier will be down since he still has waiver elgibility)...
Many D comming in with Sol, Chariot, Melchiori, Redmond all looking for roles/bigger roles...
Telegin will be coming in and could be a great match with Klingberg...

I didn't follow St John's until the Jet's were out last season but that will be different this year for sure!
I find all the Klingberg talk very interesting.

Last season in St. John's Klingberg started out well. Once he was sent back from Winnipeg Klingberg dissapeared. Became predictable, north to south game take the puck, skate down along the boards. Attempt to drive to the net, take a shot at the goalies pads. It became to the point where fans were essentially begging for him to get benched and spend some time in the stands. Subsequently he did eventually.

St. John's (fan base) is really hoping for more to his game this year. IMHO Eric O'Dell jumped leaps and bounds over Klingberg when he was given the opporunity to play on the top 2 lines. Klingberg also had those opportunites on numerous occasions but always found himself falling back to the 3rd and sometimes 4th.

Eric O'Dell is one player I'm expecting big things from. Here's my ranking as far as expectations go:

Redmond
O'Dell
Klingberg
O'Neill
Cormier
Gregoire

I have Cormier lower, merely because he played fantastic last year and I fully expect him to do the same this year. For me personally, Redmond has the highest expectations for the season due to the losses of Postma, Kulda, and the potential loss of Festerling. O'Dell is second, due to his incredible play last season when he was called upon. Really need him to step up this year with Machacek more then likely being in Jet land. Klingberg for me needs to to round his game out more. The way he plays in St. John's I see nothing more than a 4th-3rd liner in the NHL good for 10 goals. O'Niell will step up big on D and fill more of a Desantis role on the Power Play. Gregoire doesn't really stick out in my mind, but s a returning player should have to leave some sort of an impression on the fan base by the end of the year.

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