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06-05-2012, 10:52 AM
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Jay Bouwmeester

What would it take to get him on the flyers roster. I don't want to throw a proposal up here as I have no idea what his relative value is in Calgary.

Would love to see him on the top pair for the flyers with timonen probably retiring next year, even if some flyers fans were to disagree.

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06-05-2012, 11:01 AM
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As a Bruins fan, I'd love to see him on your top pair as well. Make an offer, and make sure it's an overpayment.

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06-05-2012, 11:02 AM
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I really don't think Calgary trades him as are defense is to bare as it is, but if we did I would looking for something like a 1st and a good roster player. A JVR or Voracek.

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The flames cannot afford to give him up unless we are able to sign a suitable replacment in FA or the return provides a top 4 dman.

He's just too valuable to the flames who have a horrible blueline at the moment. We do not have players that can pick up his minutes unless a replacment comes in.

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06-05-2012, 11:09 AM
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Be sure you've got salary going back as his cap hit is atrocious.

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06-05-2012, 11:24 AM
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Be sure you've got salary going back as his cap hit is atrocious.
6.6 million is high, but it's not outrageous for a 1# defenseman. Wait untill you see what Carle gets in FA for being nothing more than an average 3#

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06-05-2012, 11:31 AM
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I really don't think Calgary trades him as are defense is to bare as it is, but if we did I would looking for something like a 1st and a good roster player. A JVR or Voracek.
Lets be reality here: That's never going to happen.

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06-05-2012, 11:34 AM
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I really don't think Calgary trades him as are defense is to bare as it is, but if we did I would looking for something like a 1st and a good roster player. A JVR or Voracek.
LOLOLOL. So Bouwmeester who magically has stunk really badly since he has arrived in Calgary deserves a 1st and a good roster player?

I'd hang up so fast and chuckle like I am now.

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Lets be reality here: That's never going to happen.
Thank you!! Was getting worried that Flames fans were going insane...

He isn't THAT good.



1st Goal: Takes the wrong guy isn't even facing the play...
3rd Goal: Beat by the outside speed of Daniel Sedin...and Daniel Sedin isn't even that fast.
5th Goal: As you can see Bouwmeester pinches and gets caught


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I really don't think Calgary trades him as are defense is to bare as it is, but if we did I would looking for something like a 1st and a good roster player. A JVR or Voracek.
Jay is so overrated its incredible.
No way you'll get that from any team.
especially with his salary.

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It's not like he's terrible, but he has never lived to his hype.

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Really? That's funny. Everytime I have watched the Flames play he has been absolutely garbage. 6.75 million for a defenseman that is neither a #1 Dman nor an OFD which many Flames fans expected him to be?

Yeah good ****ing argument buddy. Jay Bouwmeester is one of the softest dmen in the game for a man his size. Hands down. I wouldn't even have paid him 6 the way he is playing.

The fact of the matter is he is OVERRATED.
there is more to the game than points and hits.

Bouwmeester is one of the smartest guys on the ice, he is good with the puck, always aware as to whats going on, logs a ton of minutes and has been misused by epic proportions since acquired by Calgary. He is not infallible but most the time his mistakes come from doing to much because of the guys he plays with.


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the ignorance people have towards boumeester always makes me laugh. "terrible" is not a word to describe him, and showing a video of three bad plays hes made dosent show anything. you could make a mistake video of every player in the league. but thanks for coming out buddy.

is he overpaid, yes. is he worth a first + vorcek/jvr, no, probably not. is he "terrible", not even close.

since coming to calgary he's been converted into a strictly defencive d-man, playing crazy minutes everynight against the other teams top line. the guy has been playing the role of a shutdown d-man, and thats not what he is. considering hes had a role forced on him he shouldnt be doing, like it or not hes done a great job. i really am tired of all the ignorant statements saying how bad he is. completley uneducated statements.

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there is more to the game than points and hits.

Bouwmeester is one of the smartest guys on the ice, he is good with the puck, always aware as to whats going on, logs a ton of minutes and has been misused by epic proportions since acquired by Calgary. He is not infallible but most the time his mistakes come from doing to much because of the guys he plays with.
Bouwmeester improved a bit last year but considering for the 6.75 he makes he is overpaid, overhyped, and if he were getting paid 5.5 which is what I would have paid him at the time he was going to be come a UFA I would agree with you but for a guy who is playing 6.75 and was expected to be that piece to to help the FLames make the playoffs and do some damage, he has been anything BUT.


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you obviously haven't watched or your understanding of the game is seriously lacking. there is more to the game than points and hits.

Bouwmeester is one of the smartest guys on the ice, he is good with the puck, always aware as to whats going on, logs a ton of minutes and has been misused by epic proportions since acquired by Calgary. He is not infallible but most the time his mistakes come from doing to much because of the guys he plays with.

hes a vancouver fan. that explains everything. i wouldnt even waste my time with him.

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Was Bouwmeester not courted by Philadelphia when he hit free agency and it was suggested by either him or those close to him that he had no interest in playing in Philadelphia because of the undue pressure from their ravenous fans? Bouwmeester and Philadelphia don't seem like a good match on a personal level...

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Really? That's funny. Everytime I have watched the Flames play he has been absolutely garbage. 6.75 million for a defenseman that is neither a #1 Dman nor an OFD which many Flames fans expected him to be? IF you're not going to be an OFD which you are paid to be at least pretend to be a a good shut down dman which he isn't good at pretending to be either.

Yeah good ****ing argument buddy. Jay Bouwmeester is one of the softest dmen in the game for a man his size. Hands down. I wouldn't even have paid him 6 the way he is playing.

The fact of the matter is he is OVERRATED.
He's not overrated; he's overpaid. Those are two different concepts. I wouldn't even say he's overhyped because no one is hyping him anymore as the next great one. Three, four years ago sure, but definitely not for the past 3 years.

Bouwmeester isn't worth the $6.68M cap hit that he has, but he is a solid top-pairing defenceman. I don't think he's a #1 defenceman, but he's easily a very good #2 guy. He would be great with a player like Erik Karlsson, Drew Doughty, etc. He played extremely well with Duncan Keith at the WHC last month.

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Was Bouwmeester not courted by Philadelphia when he hit free agency and it was suggested by either him or those close to him that he had no interest in playing in Philadelphia because of the undue pressure from their ravenous fans? Bouwmeester and Philadelphia don't seem like a good match on a personal level...
Bouwmeester never hit FA. His rights were traded to Calgary for a 2nd-round pick and the rights to Jordan Leopold. Both players signed with their new teams before July 1st, so they never made it to FA.

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Bouwmeester never hit FA. His rights were traded to Calgary for a 2nd-round pick and the rights to Jordan Leopold. Both players signed with their new teams before July 1st, so they never made it to FA.
He didn't hit free agency, but PHI could've been a team going after his rights.

As for Jbo, if he was making couple mil less or was putting up 45 points he'd have a lot better reputation than people give him.

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Personal attack #2. Are we going to continue with this because it makes feel you better about yourself? Bouwmeester improved a bit last year but considering for the 6.75 he makes he is overpaid, overhyped, and if he were getting paid 5.5 which is what I would have paid him at the time he was going to be come a UFA I would agree with you but for a guy who is playing 6.75 and was expected to be that piece to to help the FLames make the playoffs and do some damage, he has been anything BUT.
So that means he's terrible...

I'd say 90% of flames fans are happy with him. It is the supporting cast outside of Gio and Bouw that is horrible.

When you have Butler logging 1st line minute beside Bouwmeester for most of the season it doesn't take a lot of thought as to why Bouwmeester's +/- was so brutal.

But I guess your thinking never even made it that far

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LOLOLOL. So Bouwmeester who magically has stunk really badly since he has arrived in Calgary deserves a 1st and a good roster player?

I'd hang up so fast and chuckle like I am now.



Thank you!! Was getting worried that Flames fans were going insane...

He isn't THAT good.



1st Goal: Takes the wrong guy isn't even facing the play...
3rd Goal: Beat by the outside speed of Daniel Sedin...and Daniel Sedin isn't even that fast.
5th Goal: As you can see Bouwmeester pinches and gets caught
Please allow me to help you learn a little about hockey as a sport.

1st goal - Boumeester had his man, the trailing player should have been picked up by our "outstanding defensive forward" Backlund (wearing #60) or Bourque (#17) although let's face it, Bourque couldn't backcheck his way out of a wet paper bag.

3rd goal - Daniel Sedin beat him like a rented mule on that one. He deked, Bouwmeester bought it. Last I heard though, those Sedin guys aren't that bad.

5th goal - Nystrom was covering his pinch, and quit skating halfway through his own zone. Other defenseman (Sarich?) failed to take away the pass and made a piss poor attempt at a block. Bouwmeester covered his man, who was the trailing forward.

Of the three goals you referenced, Bouwmeester could be faulted on one. Is he the second coming of Bobby Orr? No. Is he worth every penny of $6.6 million cap hit, not until the cap goes to $70.3 million at least. Will the Flames trade him? Not unless they tie up another defenseman somewhere else.

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He didn't hit free agency, but PHI could've been a team going after his rights.

As for Jbo, if he was making couple mil less or was putting up 45 points he'd have a lot better reputation than people give him.
The first point is irrelevant since Mike Farkas thought the Flyers attempted to sign Bouwmeester in FA. Also, Bouwmeester has very little to no say on to where his rights will be traded. The Flames, for instance, had no guarantee that Bouwmeester would sign in Calgary and it took several days before a contract was negotiated. Daryl Sutter was willing to deal a 2nd-round pick just to obtain a two-week window to exclusively negotiate a contract with Bouwmeester.

Agreed on the 2nd point.

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Jay at 6.8mil is not worth anything beyond a 2nd round pick .

He cannot alter a game in any way . All he does is eat minutes and try to stay out of trouble and you can get Bryan Allen to do that for half the cost.

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I hope Philly go after Jbo, Crosby owns him.

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Jay at 6.8mil is not worth anything beyond a 2nd round pick .

He cannot alter a game in any way . All he does is eat minutes and try to stay out of trouble and you can get Bryan Allen to do that for half the cost.
Bouwmeester >>>>>>> Allen...cannot believe someone would think otherwise.

Regardless of Bouwmeester's worth, all that matters is his worth to CGY. It would take an overpayment to get him out of CGY as we have nobody else who can replace him.

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Really? That's funny. Everytime I have watched the Flames play he has been absolutely garbage. 6.75 million for a defenseman that is neither a #1 Dman nor an OFD which many Flames fans expected him to be? IF you're not going to be an OFD which you are paid to be at least pretend to be a a good shut down dman which he isn't good at pretending to be either.

Yeah good ****ing argument buddy. Jay Bouwmeester is one of the softest dmen in the game for a man his size. Hands down. I wouldn't even have paid him 6 the way he is playing.

The fact of the matter is he is OVERRATED.
I agree with you. Some Flame fans have an irrational love for JBo. He can log minutes and is OK defensively. He doesn't bring much offense for the amount he plays and is very soft.

People will always tell you how good he is defensively, but the numbers (rel corsi, +/- and SoC) say otherwise.

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