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06-04-2012, 09:53 PM
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Pitts GM said he's the back up. MAF not going anywhere.

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06-04-2012, 10:06 PM
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Pitts GM said he's the back up. MAF not going anywhere.
EXACTLY!

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06-05-2012, 04:08 AM
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Wow, some of you people will pick up any overpaid goalie on the market to ruin this team. I'm glad I see some people with some sense in this thread though so all hope is not lost.
Yes because we on this thread determine who the Hawks sign and don't sign.

Any overpaid goalie. So Corey Crawford making 2.67 million a year to be one of the worst goalies in the NHL isn't overpaid?

For as BAD! and TERRIBLE! as Vokoun was last year he had a .917 SV% and 2.51 GAA, if the Hawks had a goalie who put up those numbers they are a top #3 seed and might be playing for a Cup.


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06-05-2012, 05:03 AM
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I'd rather have Crawford.
If roles were reversed we'd all hate Fleury, imagine we still had Niemi and he did that poorly

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06-05-2012, 05:21 AM
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Just out of curiosity, if the Pens D killed him, what makes you think the Blackhawks D wouldn't?
The Pens D was non existent in the POs and worse than our D last year.

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Exactly. Fleury would get killed behind Chicago's D.
He wouldn't. Especially in the POs, the Hawks played a good solid D. PITs D got worse than it was in the RS

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Pitts GM said he's the back up. MAF not going anywhere.
What else should he say?

If he says MAF is done in PIT it will lower his value. Think about longterm. Staal & Crosby will be UFAs after next year, Malkin the year after.
They would have a hard time fitting them all under the Cap with 7+ million for goaltending. Shero loves Staal and is his biggest fan. He will keep him.

Getting a guy like Crawford wouldn't kill the Pens

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06-05-2012, 07:43 AM
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I'd pass on Fleury. He's given up more goals this playoff than Quick has.

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06-05-2012, 07:51 AM
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I'm even more disgusted on day two of knowing we could have had Vokoun AS BACKUP for only slightly more than Emery but Bowman thinks Emery is better than Vokoun. WTF is going on, this is beyond bizarre.

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06-05-2012, 10:34 AM
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I'd pass on Fleury. He's given up more goals this playoff than Quick has.
Though different situations and kind of small sample size, that's still pretty brutal.

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Though different situations and kind of small sample size, that's still pretty brutal.
Yeah, that is true. I just find it funny because of the number of games played by each.

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06-05-2012, 11:45 AM
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I'm even more disgusted on day two of knowing we could have had Vokoun AS BACKUP for only slightly more than Emery but Bowman thinks Emery is better than Vokoun. WTF is going on, this is beyond bizarre.
Bowman is an accountant. Everybody on this board knows more about hockey than him.

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06-05-2012, 11:49 AM
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Bowman is an accountant. Everybody on this board knows more about hockey than him.
Yeah, there shall be no more talk of "Thank God you aren't GM" blah blah blah, I'd rather have Ronnie Woo Woo as GM of the Hawks, much more competent and stable.

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06-05-2012, 11:51 AM
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reread my post. I said he could sit back while his team goes deep, which he has done.

.910 the year he won. If Crawford put up numbers like that, what would you say? He's garbage

Crawford had a .927 last year, but as you said, he is incapable of taking a team past the first round, right?
I read your post fine, and I proved to you he could help his team win, which both a 933sv% and a 910sv% does.
You are insane if you think having a 933sv% while coming within 2 wins of a Cup is 'sitting back' as a goalie.

While a 910sv% is not that great, it shows that he didn't completely crap the bed like the past 3 seasons.

If Crawford had a 910sv% against Phoenix, we probably would of won the series, but he didn't and let in just as soft of goals as Fleury did.
Except Fleury let his goals in against an elite scoring team (Philly), while Crawford couldn't save a beach ball against the offensively challenged Phoenix team.

Last year was a good year for Crawford, but ya, he hasn't gotten his team out of the 1st round yet, and Fleury has more than once.
And don't give me that "look at the team in front of him", arguement. Crawford has just as much talent in front of him as Fleury does.

And something tells me you don't want to bring up regular season stats...I wonder why.

Fleury > Crawford, and you're an idiot if you disagree.

I'm not advocating getting Fleury at all, just simply stating who the better goalie is, and it's obvious, it's Fleury.

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06-05-2012, 12:02 PM
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I read your post fine, and I proved to you he could help his team win, which both a 933sv% and a 910sv% does.
You are insane if you think having a 933sv% while coming within 2 wins of a Cup is 'sitting back' as a goalie.

While a 910sv% is not that great, it shows that he didn't completely crap the bed like the past 3 seasons.

If Crawford had a 910sv% against Phoenix, we probably would of won the series, but he didn't and let in just as soft of goals as Fleury did.
Except Fleury let his goals in against an elite scoring team (Philly), while Crawford couldn't save a beach ball against the offensively challenged Phoenix team.

Last year was a good year for Crawford, but ya, he hasn't gotten his team out of the 1st round yet, and Fleury has more than once.
And don't give me that "look at the team in front of him", arguement. Crawford has just as much talent in front of him as Fleury does.

And something tells me you don't want to bring up regular season stats...I wonder why.

Fleury > Crawford, and you're an idiot if you disagree.

I'm not advocating getting Fleury at all, just simply stating who the better goalie is, and it's obvious, it's Fleury.
I didn't bring up regular season because we were discussing playoffs. Did you even watch the Pit series? Every 5 hole shot went in.

And yeah, those two years Pitt went to the Final, we defiantly had a better team in front of Crawford these past two years. lololol

seriously?

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06-05-2012, 12:07 PM
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MAF lost all confidence in the playoffs this year, no question. He has Vezina potential though, great coaching will bring that out. Leave him out on his own, yeah, who knows. I'd like to see Tretiak brought back as a consultant if we acquired a top end talent like Fleury.

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I didn't bring up regular season because we were discussing playoffs. Did you even watch the Pit series? Every 5 hole shot went in.

And yeah, those two years Pitt went to the Final, we defiantly had a better team in front of Crawford these past two years. lololol

seriously?
seriously? Did you see the goals Crawford let in? (Boedker breakaway goal beats any goal Fleury let in)

We weren't discussing playoffs, we were discussing who the better goalie is, and it's Fleury.

I didn't say we had a better team, I said we had the same amount of talent. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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MAF lost all confidence in the playoffs this year, no question. He has Vezina potential though, great coaching will bring that out. Leave him out on his own, yeah, who knows. I'd like to see Tretiak brought back as a consultant if we acquired a top end talent like Fleury.
I would like to see an entire new goalie coaching staff no matter who is in net.

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seriously? Did you see the goals Crawford let in? (Boedker breakaway goal beats any goal Fleury let in)

We weren't discussing playoffs, we were discussing who the better goalie is, and it's Fleury.

I didn't say we had a better team, I said we had the same amount of talent. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.
we didn't have the same amount of talent either. Nice try. Go look at the two rosters that Pitt had in those two seasons.

and yes, I saw Crawford let in two bad goals in that series, and I saw MAF let in 4 bad goals each game.

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06-05-2012, 12:11 PM
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I would like to see an entire new goalie coaching staff no matter who is in net.
Agreed, Waite was beyond awful last year. I never even played goal competitively and could identify his poor tactics. We really do need an upgrade there.

What I like most about Tretiak is that he was big on conditioning and maximizing potential. I thought he was a great coach and did a great job with our goalies when we had him in the fold.

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I would like to see an entire new goalie coaching staff no matter who is in net.
wow, we actually agree on something. I hate the way Waite has the goalies playing behind the redline when the puck is at or behind the redline. It's terrible coaching.

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wow, we actually agree on something. I hate the way Waite has the goalies playing behind the redline when the puck is at or behind the redline. It's terrible coaching.
Not to mention telling Crawford to play way too aggressive which completely threw him off. Crawford is the last guy who should be playing like that. Emery should never leave the blue paint (nevermind the blue paint, how about just the bench) no matter what.


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Leading up to playoffs Crawford had some horrible rebound control. He was also losing the net quite a bit. He was better in the playoffs but then the string of soft goals, two in OT. The game 4 OT goal was just awful.

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Hey, coldsteel, I understand you're angry, however, did you hear that Vokoun was allowed to "shop around"? It sounded like he may have approached Pittsburgh and Toronto, but Pittsburgh was the only team to give him a two-year deal. Maybe Vokoun didn't even want to come to Chicago. Bowman can't put a gun to his temple and make him put on our sweater.

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To be fair Bowman can't tie his shoes without a lengthy arbitration hearing then overpaying a 40 year old to do it for him.

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