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06-05-2012, 03:04 PM
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Pierre said the same thing the other day.

This isn't hard to see. Sign Parise and then send Kane to Florida for Huberdeau +.

Parise over Kane improves the team on its own. Then Huberdeau is #2 center and a potenial superstar himself.

If that all went down, then I'd be a big Stan Bowman supporter.
Nice start, still need to do something in goal on top of it to make me a supporter though, tired of watching moldy swiss cheese.

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No way this happens.

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They cant sign him without moving a core iece - Kane or Sharp probably. Most likely Kane.

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They cant sign him without moving a core iece - Kane or Sharp probably. Most likely Kane.
What about dumping Fro and Monty. That would get it done too.

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Pierre said the same thing the other day.

This isn't hard to see. Sign Parise and then send Kane to Florida for Huberdeau +.

Parise over Kane improves the team on its own. Then Huberdeau is #2 center and a potenial superstar himself.

If that all went down, then I'd be a big Stan Bowman supporter.
Not a chance Dale Tallon does that.

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06-05-2012, 03:06 PM
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Kane will not be traded, and he shouldn't, even if that's the only way to get Parise.

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06-05-2012, 03:07 PM
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What about dumping Fro and Monty. That would get it done too.
You gotta leave money for depth. 2011 showed us what bad depth brings - players like Fernando Pisani.

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06-05-2012, 03:08 PM
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Kane will not be traded, and he shouldn't, even if that's the only way to get Parise.
Parise is a better player. If the chance is there, you take it.

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06-05-2012, 03:09 PM
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You gotta leave money for depth. 2011 showed us what bad depth brings - players like Fernando Pisani.
That's where the young guys like Saad, Shaw, Smith, Pirri, Beach come in. We didn't have that in 2011 and they get paid about the same as the Pisani's of the world.

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Kane will be better for the future, as he is younger and has more potential to develop his game more. Parise is already, more than likely, at the peak of his career and will only stay where he's at or decrease.

He's still a great player, but I would feel better with Kane for the future, and would much rather trade Sharp than Kane if we wanted to free up some space.

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That's a surprise. I thought we were trying to fix the defense, not add another top six winger.

But I love Parise's game too much to actually be upset about trying to acquire him.

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Would be lame to trade Sharp before his extension kicks in.

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Would be lame to trade Sharp before his extension kicks in.
Agreed, Sharp doesn't move IMO, I sure hope not. We can make space other ways.

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06-05-2012, 03:16 PM
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Parise is a great player, but it just doesn't make sense to sign him when our problem is not with scoring but stopping other teams from scoring. Why take a large cap hit and leave yourself with so little cap space to try to improve Defense/Goaltending?

I understand Parise is a great player, and I'm not arguing otherwise. I just think to add 6.5+ a year to the cap will really not leave us enough room to fix bigger holes in the roster. If you then trade Kane/Sharp, you added a top 6 forward, and lost one (even IF Parise is a little better). Now we have a slight improvement in our top 6 (where we need the least work of all our holes), but are in the exact same situation we were before.

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06-05-2012, 03:22 PM
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Parise is a great player, but it just doesn't make sense to sign him when our problem is not with scoring but stopping other teams from scoring. Why take a large cap hit and leave yourself with so little cap space to try to improve Defense/Goaltending?

I understand Parise is a great player, and I'm not arguing otherwise. I just think to add 6.5+ a year to the cap will really not leave us enough room to fix bigger holes in the roster. If you then trade Kane/Sharp, you added a top 6 forward, and lost one (even IF Parise is a little better). Now we have a slight improvement in our top 6 (where we need the least work of all our holes), but are in the exact same situation we were before.
Agreed but Bowman has said he's going with offense and D is a lesser priority, so this fits the mold of what he wants.

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06-05-2012, 03:24 PM
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Parise over Kane rdiculously improves the Hawks forecheck- which was a big issue last year. An improved forecheck improves puck posession, which takes pressure off the defense and goaltending.

As I said before, I believe adding Parise would improve the overall team defense more than adding Ryan Suter would.

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Sorry for the typos. Posting from my phone.

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As I said before, I believe adding Parise would improve the overall team defense more than adding Ryan Suter would.
Bold statement but watching Parise and the Devils in the playoffs this year, it's certainly possible you are right.

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06-05-2012, 03:27 PM
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Parise over Kane rdiculously improves the Hawks forecheck- which was a big issue last year. An improved forecheck improves puck posession, which takes pressure off the defense and goaltending.

As I said before, I believe adding Parise would improve the overall team defense more than adding Ryan Suter would.
Yes, the forecheck would be improved, but that does not improve the D as much as we need it improved. I know Suter coming here is a longshot, but he would be a far better signing than Parise. Adding 1 forechecker is not going to improve the teams Defense as much as adding a top 2 D man will. Now if the rest of the team would forecheck with him, you might be onto something, but that's not the case.

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06-05-2012, 03:31 PM
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Yes, the forecheck would be improved, but that does not improve the D as much as we need it improved. I know Suter coming here is a longshot, but he would be a far better signing than Parise. Adding 1 forechecker is not going to improve the teams Defense as much as adding a top 2 D man will. Now if the rest of the team would forecheck with him, you might be onto something, but that's not the case.
Forechecking is infectious, I believe it would but you're right, we don't know.

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06-05-2012, 03:31 PM
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Agreed, don't move Sharp before extension kicks in but if it comes between him and Kane....peace Sharp. No question. He was the worst player on both teams some nights in the playoffs. Just awful.

IDK, I've watched just about every game these playoffs and I haven't been sold on Parise as an elite player. The stats back this up. Take out the 2 empty netters(he might even have more points from EN goals that I don't remember):

21 games, 5 goals, 7 assists, 13 points

Those are like Kris Versteeg/Dave Bolland numbers. Actually, Bolland had almost the exact same numbers when we won the Cup. And you want to trade Kane for him? A guy who is a PPG+ player in the playoffs? No thank you. Maybe for Sharp, but still questionable considering Parise might want a ton of money.

Kane career playoffs:
51 games, 20 goals, 32 assists, 52 points, 1.020 PPG

Parise career playoffs:
58 games, 20 goals, 22 assists, 44 points, .758 PPG

Not to mention Parise is like 5 years older. And coming off a major surgery. He might not fully get his explosiveness back and that was a big part of his game. He also is nowhere near as talented as Kane is. So yeah, I'd move Sharp maybe for Parise if he signs a good deal but no ****ing way would I move Kane.

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06-05-2012, 03:32 PM
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Got to disagree that adding Parise would be a more positive impact than adding Suter but adding either or both is not even as good as simply having a better D system.

In terms of Parise, his ability on the forecheck would combined with Toews would be a joy to watch. We'd likely have to move a core player and I wouldn't mind changing him out with Kane.

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Move both Kane and Sharp.

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Move both Kane and Sharp.
This is not a team that needs to blow up the core, this is a team that needs a few pieces and will be a cup winning team. Just making coaching changes could result in a cup appearance.

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Guys, Bowman is our GM. Not happening.

Much more likely to resign Bruno.

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