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06-06-2012, 07:55 AM
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If you were the flyers GM what personnel moves would you make over the next two seasons? Using current CBA rules without the use of an Amnesty Clause or a Bonus cushion which could both be part of the next CBA. This assumes that the cap limit will go up about 5% after next season, which could not happen but this is for fun so go with it...

I have no idea if it would work or not but this would be my ideal plan...

2012 Offseason

1) Trade JVR, Bobrovsky, Gustafsson, 1st rd pick (2012), 1st rd pick (2013), to Columbus for Rick Nash
2) Sign Dennis Wideman to a 4-5 year deal with a cap hit of $5.0 mil per season
3) Do not resign any of our UFAs (trade negoitating rights if possible)
4) Resign Voracek to a 3-5 year deal with a cap hit of $3.5 mil per season
5) Waive Jody Shelley
6) Resign Tom Setsito to a 2-3 year deal with a cap hit of $.60 mil per season
7) Resign Bourdon to a 2-3 year deal with a cap hit of $1.1 mil per season

2012-13 Roster (Cap Limit of 69.0 mil)

Forwards
1) Giroux ($3.75 mil cap hit)
2) Nash (7.80)
3) Hartnell (4.25)
4) Schenn (3.11)
5) Briere (6.50)
6) Voracek (3.00)
7) Couturier (1.38)
8) Read (.90)
9) Simmonds (1.75)
10) Talbot (1.75)
11) Wellwood (.58)
12) Rinaldo (.54)
13) Setsito (.60)

Defensman
1) Coburn (4.50)
2) Timonen (6.33)
3) Wideman (5.00)
4) Meszaros (4.00)
5) Grossmann (3.50)
6) Bourdon (1.00)
7) Lilja (.74)

Goaltenders
1) Bryzgalov (5.67)
2) Hovinen (.95)

TOTAL CAP: $68.6

2013 Offseason

1) Sign Shea Weber to a 7-8 year deal worth a cap hit of $8.50 mil per season
2) Resign Simmonds to a 3-4 year deal worth a cap hit of $3.00 mil per season
3) Do not resign Andres Lilja
4) Resign Timonen to a 1-year deal worth a $2.0 mil cap hit
5) Do not resign Hartnell unless he accepts deal worth $3.0 mil or less (Trade negoitating rights if he declines)

2013-14 Roster (estimated cap limit of $72.0 mil)

Forwards
1) Giroux ($3.75 mil cap hit)
2) Nash (7.80)
3) Hartnell (3.0) OPTIONAL
4) Schenn (3.11)
5) Briere (6.50)
6) Voracek (3.00)
7) Couturier (1.38)
8) Read (.90)
9) Simmonds (3.0)
10) Talbot (1.75)
11) Wellwood (.58)
12) Rinaldo (.54)
13) Setsito (.60)

13) Cousins (.93) IF HARTNELL DOESNT RESIGN

Defensman
1) Coburn (4.50)
2) Timonen (2.00)
3) Wideman (5.00)
4) Meszaros (4.00)
5) Grossmann (3.50)
6) Bourdon (1.00)
7) Weber (8.50)

Goaltenders
1) Bryzgalov (5.67)
2) Hovinen (.95)

TOTAL CAP w/ Hartnell: $71.03 mil
TOTAL CAP w/o Hartnell: $68.96 mil

EDIT: Voracek should say resigned to a 3.0 mil cap hit...


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06-06-2012, 08:11 AM
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2012 Offseason

1) Trade JVR, Bobrovsky, Gustafsson, 1st rd pick (2012), 1st rd pick (2013), to Columbus for Rick Nash
2) Sign Dennis Wideman to a 4-5 year deal with a cap hit of $5.0 mil per season
3) Do not resign any of our UFAs (trade negoitating rights if possible)
4) Resign Voracek to a 3-5 year deal with a cap hit of $3.5 mil per season
5) Waive Jody Shelley
6) Resign Tom Setsito to a 2-3 year deal with a cap hit of $.60 mil per season
7) Resign Bourdon to a 2-3 year deal with a cap hit of $1.1 mil per season
1) No.

2) Hell No.

3) Sounds like Carle is odds-on to be back, so how much is talking the Jagr at the draft worth? Likely not much.

4) Probably an too many years, I'd sign Jake for 2 years. Should be arbitration eligible.

5) Dreams can come true

6) Probably will only be another 1 year deal, but he's probably also useless.

7) Too much for your 7th defenseman

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06-06-2012, 08:24 AM
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Nash is a possibility but isn't giroux needing a new deal soon. I was thinking 10 years 80 million without a doubt

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06-06-2012, 08:27 AM
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Trade JVR and Mez for Edler
Sign Parise 7.5 10 years
Sign Wideman 4.5 5 years
Trade bob for anything

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06-06-2012, 01:20 PM
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I don't understand why anyone wants to sign Wideman. If you thought Carle was a bad defender, Wideman is even worse. The Flyers already have good puck movers with Timonen, Gustafsson, Coburn and Meszaros. They need someone who is mean and tough to play against on the blue line.

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06-06-2012, 01:23 PM
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I don't understand why anyone wants to sign Wideman. If you thought Carle was a bad defender, Wideman is even worse. The Flyers already have good puck movers with Timonen, Gustafsson, Coburn and Meszaros. They need someone who is mean and tough to play against on the blue line.
This! This. After watching him on the Caps this year I've taken to calling him "The Ruiner." He's awful.

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1) Trade JVR, Bobrovsky, Gustafsson, 1st rd pick (2012), 1st rd pick (2013), to Columbus for Rick Nash
2) Sign Dennis Wideman to a 4-5 year deal with a cap hit of $5.0 mil per season
3) Do not resign any of our UFAs (trade negoitating rights if possible)
4) Resign Voracek to a 3-5 year deal with a cap hit of $3.5 mil per season
5) Waive Jody Shelley
6) Resign Tom Setsito to a 2-3 year deal with a cap hit of $.60 mil per season
7) Resign Bourdon to a 2-3 year deal with a cap hit of $1.1 mil per season
1. No. Nash is overrated and not worth his cap hit or what you propose we give up for him.
2. No. To long and too much money I would rather keep Carle than do that as I imagine that he could be signed for a good bet less money than that. Plus Wideman is just as prone to brain farts (if not worse) as Carle plus he's older.
3. Maybe? I don't think anyone would give up even a bag of pucks for the rights to any of these guys, other than maybe Carle. But even that probably wouldn't be much. I'm open to bring back Carle and Jagr depending what they're asking for. The others can go for sure though.
4. I doubt he would sign for that long and eat into his UFA, but I certainly want to lock him up.
5. Yes please! Doubt it happens though, seems like the front office likes his locker room presence. I wouldn't mind so much if his cap hit weren't stupidly high for a guy who hardly plays.
6. Sestito is pretty useless if he resigned for the minimum what ever, but I hardly see the point.
7. I don't think he's earned that big of a contract. I'd be more looking at the $800k-$900k range. One or two year deal let him earn a bigger contract.

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Trade JVR and Mez for Edler
Sign Parise 7.5 10 years
Sign Wideman 4.5 5 years
Trade bob for anything
I doubt that the Canucks would trade Edler for that, and anyway what I saw from him in the playoffs I wouldn't give up that much for him. Not even sure I would want to give up just one of those two for him, especially if we're not sure we can resign him since he's a UFA next summer.

It would be kind of fun to get Parise, but I don't see it happening and not sure I want to give anyone a 10 year deal other than maybe Giroux.

As other posters noted Wideman sucks, and that is too much money and too many years.

While I don't mind trading Bob, why 'trade him away for anything'? It's not like we have a burning need to move him no one is knocking on the door or anything. No point in rushing to give away an asset. Also, if we do move him you didn't address how you replace him.

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06-06-2012, 02:26 PM
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2012 Offseason moves (Assuming Pronger on LTIR)
1. Convince Timonen to retire
2. Trade Hartnell, Schenn, 1st in 2012, 1st in 2013 for Weber
3. Sign Weber for 5y / 40m
4. Resign Carle 5y / 26m
5. Resign Jagr 1y / 3m
6. Resign Voracek 1y / 3.5m
7. Resign Holmstrom 1y / 800k

Try as hard as possible to acquire Justin Schultz (not included in capgeek calc)

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FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.500m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.000m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Ben Holmstrom ($0.800m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($8.000m) / Matt Carle ($5.200m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,053,611; BONUSES: $1,300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $6,246,389

Trade Hartnell and Schenn while value still exists for them. Couturier will develop an offensive game, eventually earning the 2nd line center role. This allows for future resigning of our own players (Simmonds, Giroux, Voracek). Defense is young/solid for next 5 years.

All of this just actually depends on how Bryz plays, lets be honest.


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Convince Timonen to retire? That just sounds for the lack of a batter word, mean.

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Dennis Wideman is probably the worst skating player in the league. It's hilarious, actually.

Also, not a fan of trading Hartnell, he brings so much to this team on and off the ice.

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Why do people want to spend a ton of assets on Rick Nash?!

Do we not score enough for your liking? Do we have too much depth at forward for your liking? If we're giving up all of that, it better be for Weber and not Nash.

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2012 Offseason moves (Assuming Pronger on LTIR)
1. Convince Timonen to retire
2. Trade Hartnell, Schenn, 1st in 2012, 1st in 2013 for Weber
3. Sign Weber for 5y / 40m
4. Resign Carle 5y / 26m
5. Resign Jagr 1y / 3m
6. Resign Voracek 1y / 3.5m
7. Resign Holmstrom 1y / 800k

Try as hard as possible to acquire Justin Schultz (not included in capgeek calc)

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Soooo you want our forwards to be pushed around even more than they were last year? Nice.

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Convince Timonen to retire? That just sounds for the lack of a batter word, mean.
I am a huge Flyers fan and a season ticket holder. I think Timonen is a great PP QB, but his defensive abilities fade over the course of the season and it becomes increasingly difficult to watch him struggle. He won't retire this year because he has $3M left to earn on his deal, but he is more of a liability when playing >20 minutes a night. Need that $6.33m of space this year to land Weber.

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Convince Timonen to retire? That just sounds for the lack of a batter word, mean.
Drop Timonen in favor of Carle at 5+ a year, too. That would go badly.

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Soooo you want our forwards to be pushed around even more than they were last year? Nice.
This and your last post, hardly seem constructive to the conversation. What would you give up for Weber?

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Drop Timonen in favor of Carle at 5+ a year, too. That would go badly.
Why hold onto Timonen at age 38 over Carle at age 27? Do you see Timonen improving over the next 5 years or Carle improving over the next 5 years?

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I don't understand why anyone wants to sign Wideman. If you thought Carle was a bad defender, Wideman is even worse. The Flyers already have good puck movers with Timonen, Gustafsson, Coburn and Meszaros. They need someone who is mean and tough to play against on the blue line.
I agree about Wideman and the need for a nasty defender.

You lost me at Coburn and Gus being good puck movers.

Pronger (great outlet)
Timonen (good, not great)
Coburn (yikes)
Gus (needs improvement)
Mez (improving but meh-- improving mostly because he is not great defensively so he sought to become more offensive)
Carle (good to approaching very good)
Bourdon (sometimes awful, sometimes not)

In reality, and this is unfortunate, the only really great puck movers aren't defenders on this team (want to see d-men that can puck move and drive play-- watch the Kings): Are Roo, Jagr, Voracek. Cooter and Read are getting better. Sometimes Briere, Hartnell, and Wellwood do a decent job. Some nights it is ugly.

You'll notice the Flyers dmen almost always pass the puck away to a forward.

Simmonds, Schenn, and others still dump and chase because they stink carrying the puck.

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Why hold onto Timonen at age 38 over Carle at age 27? Do you see Timonen improving over the next 5 years or Carle improving over the next 5 years?
Timonen at 6.7 and reduced minutes (if we somehow land Weber as you propose) is better than Carle at 5 million. Carle has improved very little in his time here and has even regressed in some areas. Carle at 5 is an overpayment brought on by the fact that he has benefited greatly from being able to pass the puck to an offense that is annually among the league's best. Timonen remains better than Carle in nearly every category, but suffers over the course of a season because he has had to cover for big injuries on defense/playing a huge amount of games in the last few years.

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This and your last post, hardly seem constructive to the conversation. What would you give up for Weber?
I'd give up essentially anything to land Weber outside of Giroux. I won't propose a package because it'd be pointless, but any single player on the roster can exit if we're getting Weber (including Couturier, as much as I love the guy). The idea of getting Nash is silly. He makes 7.8 million and adds nothing worthwhile to our team. He can score, but we have plenty of those and in depth, not just one guy.

I think to fix this team, you need (IMO):

-1 defensive stud (Weber, Enstrom, Bogosian, Edler, Suter)
-2 pretty good defensive forwards (Malholtra type)
- Trade Bob to get a better backup goalie (Biron)
- Let Carle and Jagr walk. Jagr is too slow (despite great puck possession) and Carle will want too much $$

This team is very young and can be very good soon. We need to tweak it, not overhaul (except for a top D-Man with the exit of Kimmo and Pronger). NJD exposed us for not playing good team defense and we need to upgrade that in our forward corps. Bigger bodies that can play a little and be defensively responsible.

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Hartnell (4.20) - Giroux (3.75) - Briere (6.50)
vanRiemsdyk (4.25) - Schenn (0.90) - Voracek (3.75)
Simmonds (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Gaustad (2.50) - Talbot (1.75) - Wellwood (0.58)
Rinaldo (0.54) - Holmstrom (0.75) - Sestito (0.70)

Suter (7.00) - Carle (4.00)
Timonen (6.33) - Meszaros (4.00)
Coburn (4.50) - Grossmann (3.50)
Bourdon (0.90) - Gustafsson (0.90)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
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TOTAL: 70.21m
CAP: 70.30m (per gapgeek)
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1. Obtain Weber somehow, everything else is on the table except Giroux and Couturier.

2. Extend Hartnell, Simmonds and Voracek if they're still here.

That's all I got so far.

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I agree about Wideman and the need for a nasty defender.

You lost me at Coburn and Gus being good puck movers.
Coburn was a good puck mover when he got to Philadelphia. People seem to forget that his first season as a Flyer, he scored 36 points, so he knows how to handle a puck. Over the past few years, he's been asked to take on a more defensive role. I'd have no problems with Coburn being asked to be a puck mover again now that he's got a guy like Grossmann playing next to him.

Gustafsson has shown great promise as being a puck carrier. His wrist injury that he suffered killed any momentum he had going. With that being said, this is a very important year for Gustafsson coming up. If his puck carrying ability really starts off well to begin the season, then I can see his confidence soaring and really becoming a stalwart on the D. If for some reason or another he handles the puck like a hot potato or becomes completely overwhelmed by things, then he's as good as gone.

Anyways, I think there's a lot of untapped potential in Gustafsson and Coburn always had puck carrying capability. For some reason, that aspect of the D doesn't worry me at all.

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I don't understand why anyone wants to sign Wideman. If you thought Carle was a bad defender, Wideman is even worse. The Flyers already have good puck movers with Timonen, Gustafsson, Coburn and Meszaros. They need someone who is mean and tough to play against on the blue line.
After watching the NJ series I'm not convinced we have any puck movers on D besides Coburn, and he can only skate it out.

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Don't resign any of the ufas
Sign a serviceable veteran dman to help fill steady the d for a season.
Trade bob for anything.
Resign voracek, don't really much care what you do with the other rfas
Sign a good 4th line faceoff man.

Make as big of a push and do anything and everything you need to do to get Shea weber next season. Anything that doesn't include giroux or couturier.

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