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06-06-2012, 03:16 PM
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Contrary to popular belief the detroit red wings have a terrible drafting record. They identified some stars in Zetterberg, Datysuk, Lidstrom in last 20 years(or so) and people assume they have an excellent development team. Have you looked at their draft success?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005492.html

It's terrible.

Since 2000 they managed:


2000:
Kronwall(1st round, 29th overall)
Kopecky(2nd round, 38th overall)

9 OTHER picks in 2000. Combined NHL games:0

2001:

7 picks. 1 player with 4 games, another with 71 games.

2002:

Hudler (2nd round, 58th overall)
Vippula (3rd round, 95th overall)
Meech (7th round, 229th overall)
Ericsson (9th round, 291st overall)

Fleischmann selected in round 2, 63rd overall. Later traded with a 1st round pick(Mike Green) and a 4th round pick for Robert Lang. yes, Fleischmann, Green and a 4th for Lang.

The other 5 picks in that draft never played a single NHL game.


I can go on.

I mean in 2003, such a deep draft right?

They got Howard in the 2nd round, 64th overall and kyle quincey in 4th round, 132nd overall.

The other 6 picks in one of the deepest drafts? 0 NHL games played.

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So yes, I respect detroit and their class and winning attitude but their player development and drafting is significantly worse than us. It's likely one of the worst in the league.
I am not speaking about their drafting record. Its how the cultivate their players and identify how to satisfy their needs.

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06-06-2012, 03:17 PM
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That's the thing. All they have is ex-players. There's no other perspective.
That's ridiculous.

Not all ex-hockey players think the same way and they still all bring a different mind-set and individuality to the team. Some of these guys are a lot smarter than you guys give them credit for.


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06-06-2012, 03:20 PM
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I am not speaking about their drafting record. Its how the cultivate their players and identify how to satisfy their needs.
Shoving a guy in the minors until he's ready may be deemed a "patient" approach and fine, I get that but they cultivate no one. Their development success is brutal.

Detroit's success comes from getting players through free agency, draft or trade that they like and keeping them as long as possible.

They are fortunate they got Datysuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom.

Hell, when they drafted Yzerman they were pissed they didn't get lafontaine.

They have a strong management team, don't get me wrong, but in the context of player development, they are a joke IMO.

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That's ridiculous.

Not all ex-hockey players think the same way and they still all bring a different mind-set and individuality to the team. Some of these guys are a lot smarter you guys give them credit for.
I didn't mean to sound as though I was suggesting these people weren't smart, or had nothing to bring to the table. What I meant to suggest was that the valuable perspective of an ex-NHLer is probably not enough on its own. You need a good mix of people with old school and new school ideas. It's not about being smart or stupid, it's about bringing a diversity of perspectives to the table.

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hmmm, I think Bergevin is just trying to pull together a killer beer league team myself . . .


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with all of these new positions i'm sending my CV in for director of partying-on-down.



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What is his track record? Who has he worked with in the past and as what?

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What is his track record? Who has he worked with in the past and as what?
Pro-scout with Chicago

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He procures liquor and blonde skanks for Bergevin's after hour parties.
Best hiring this year then

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Someone mentioned earlier he was a pro scout for Chicago.

Edit: Too late.

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Pro-scout with Chicago
What does this have to do with the development of young players? Not sure if I like this move or not. As Whitensake mentioned in the Therrien thread, all I remember of Lapointe was him using the Habs to get a bigger contract elsewhere.

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The Habs website lists Timmins as Director of Player Procurement and Development.

I'd imagine this is another sign that he is likely moving after the draft.

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The Habs website lists Timmins as Director of Player Procurement and Development.

I'd imagine this is another sign that he is likely moving after the draft.
I sure as hell hope not.

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Timmins himself wanted to be relieved of all of his duties except head scout. He felt he was doing too much. I don't think he is going unless someone is offering him an Assistant GM position.

Well, hell, he might be the new GM of Columbus.

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He's not going anywhere. He'll be Director of Scouting.

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Yeah. Not good.

A large management group is a good idea, but Bergevin keeps hiring his buddies. He needs to broaden the types of voices he has in his management team. It's starting to look like a giant echo chamber right now.
He said Therrien was not his buddy.

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What does this have to do with the development of young players? Not sure if I like this move or not. As Whitensake mentioned in the Therrien thread, all I remember of Lapointe was him using the Habs to get a bigger contract elsewhere.
Well Lapointe is an ex-player in the NHL, so you might figure he knows a thing or two about making it to the NHL. And now, you will tell me: But he has no experience in developing players. And I will answer to you that his role is not about coaching the players into reaching their potential, it's to evaluate and give them a report on what they have to work on to get to the next level.

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I don't see Timmins leaving, he looked really happy and relaxed. Also he already mentioned he was looking forward to next year since the Habs had 3 2nd round picks. Saw the clip on the Habs site earlier this week

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Well Lapointe is an ex-player in the NHL, so you might figure he knows a thing or two about making it to the NHL. And now, you will tell me: But he has no experience in developing players. And I will answer to you that his role is not about coaching the players into reaching their potential, it's to evaluate and give them a report on what they have to work on to get to the next level.
Hopefully he does a good job. I don't know who else was out there they could have been looking at. All in all I am happy that Timmins has a lot less on his plate and can focus more on amateur scouting. I don't think he will hesitate to give his recommendations to Lapointe while scouting other amateur players. If he is in the OHL scouting some talent and sees one of our OHL prospects during the game, I am sure he will still submit a report to Lapointe about what he's seen and it will be taken heavily into consideration.

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The group Bergevin is putting together is very samey and very, very old-school. I'm not expecting a lot of forward-thinkingness from that lot.
So what exactly do you know about Lapointe's credentials or performance as Chicago's pro scout that's leading you to draw this conclusion? Or I should say, what do you know about Lapointe that extends beyond the fact that he's an ex-player?

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Timmins himself wanted to be relieved of all of his duties except head scout. He felt he was doing too much. I don't think he is going unless someone is offering him an Assistant GM position.

Well, hell, he might be the new GM of Columbus.
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Hopefully he does a good job. I don't know who else was out there they could have been looking at. All in all I am happy that Timmins has a lot less on his plate and can focus more on amateur scouting. I don't think he will hesitate to give his recommendations to Lapointe while scouting other amateur players. If he is in the OHL scouting some talent and sees one of our OHL prospects during the game, I am sure he will still submit a report to Lapointe about what he's seen and it will be taken heavily into consideration.
I personally believe that the director of player developpement, while being in a serious area of an organization, is not THAT big of a job anyways. I even think Lapointe will have some sort of input in pro-scouting to fill up his tasks.

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Quite a firewall you're building up there Mr.Bergevin...!

"You'll have to go through a lot of fuzziness before you can get to me...!" says defiantly the now ever more secured new GM of the once glorious 'Les Canadiens'...

"And you thought I'd expose my incompetency through the 'Peter Principle' in associating myself with the no-holds-barred true Hab warrior that is Patrick Roy...?"*

"Well..., I've got a five year contract and I intend to spend every moment of it hiring anybody and his brother or sister that is not named Patrick Roy..."*

" How's that for a five year plan for a god forsaken team I do not begin ...and even wish to comprehend...!"

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Gauthier was alone...

Bergevin is surrounded by 4 assistants....


Molson must have deep pockets to pay for all these guys. + Paying Jacques Martin"s, Cunneyworth's and Ladouceur's salaries... Is Carbo stilll on the payroll ?

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It will take a while to find the video, and I will, but I remember Stephane Leroux, who is a friend of Timmins, stating on L'Antichambre that he talked to Timmins about that and he said that he seriously felt like it was a lot of work in his hands, that he and Bergevin have talked about it and they both agreed that it would be better to lessen his responsibilities regarding player developement.

I don't think Bergevin would've gone against Timmins' will since I think he was doing a good job in that role. If Timmins would've said that there was no necessity for him to stop, I'm sure Bergevin would've left it alone, simply because there's an obvious respect and admiration from Bergevin towards Timmins for the work he's accomplished before his hiring.


Edit: http://www.rds.ca/zone-video/#cat=67&videoID=110664


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