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06-06-2012, 05:22 PM
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Isn't this slightly overkill? I mean sounds good and all but Timmins' role really got shafted. I know we like to say "now he can focus on scouting!" but at same time, I'm 100% certain Timmins said he wants to be a GM one day. Reducing his roles until he's a pure scout isn't exactly a selling point of keeping him here.
Timmins on his way out after the draft, i can see it coming....

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Video of Leroux saying what Timmins thinks about having his duties reduced. Around the 4 min. mark


http://www.rds.ca/zone-video/#cat=67&videoID=110664

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06-06-2012, 05:24 PM
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Timmins on his way out after the draft, i can see it coming....
Why ? No way !

The guy is really happy to take care of youth scouting and junior draft. He said it himself. He has the WHOLE WORLD to scout and find prospects.

... But IF he really wants to go... welcome Andre Savard !

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What i like it's that the new management team is a bunch of guys who never took **** from anyone on the ice. Dudley, Melenby, Bergevin, Lapointe and Therrien (even though he never played) are a groupe of very honnest working individuals who never backed down from a challenge.

I like that a lot.
Yep. I don't know what the future holds. But I do know the days of being small, soft and easy to play against are over.

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So what does that make Timmins, Director of Scouting?

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06-06-2012, 05:32 PM
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Why ? No way !

The guy is really happy to take care of youth scouting and junior draft. He said it himself. He has the WHOLE WORLD to scout and find prospects.

... But IF he really wants to go... welcome Andre Savard !
They're was some changes implement went Dudley appear, by adding Mellanby and now maybe Lapointe, it might be a sign

Do i want TT to go? Not really but things can happen

And if you say, well Bergevin said he really liked Trevor's work and that he was a fan of his. Yesterday, Big Mike said that he had the outmost respect for Cunneyworth and Ladouceur and that he'll have to look into the situation... Well, less then 24 hours after those comments, they are both already gone....

In any way, even if TT stays, i'd like to have Andre Savard back....

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06-06-2012, 05:33 PM
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What is also great about Mellanby and Lapoint is that they are both locals. They can be developed to replace the existing management down the road. Habs have a language constraint, so succession planning is very important.

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So wait, another guy with no experience, and one who wouldn't sign here during his playing career to boot? Great....Bergevin is doing a great job...

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So wait, another guy with no experience, and one who wouldn't sign here during his playing career to boot? Great....Bergevin is doing a great job...

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No experience, long career as a player, pro scout with Chicago.... what, we need more anglos in charge in this team, we can give a chance with a guy from here who work most of his life in the US anyway....

people here are.... i don't even know the word....

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Isn't this Mellanby's job ?

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This is how I understand the role of each:

Trevor Timmins - Director of scouting
His job is to scout and analyze player and all the scouts report to him. He should also be the one responsible at the combine for the Canadiens.

Scott Mellanby - Director of Player Personnel
A lot of people wonder how his job affect Timmins & Lapointe jobs...
My understanding is that he's in charge of people working around the players... that means he's in charge of Therapist, Physiotherapist, Condtionning coach, Equipment coach, etc..

Martin Lapointe - Director of player development
He will be in charge of supervising the developement of the young players. He will probably be the one in charge of the development camp & rookie camp.

So IMO, they have all different roles.

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No experience, long career as a player, pro scout with Chicago.... what, we need more anglos in charge in this team, we can give a chance with a guy from here who work most of his life in the US anyway....

people here are.... i don't even know the word....
I guess you could find inspiration from your username...

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This is how I understand the role of each:

Trevor Timmins - Director of scouting
His job is to scout and analyze player and all the scouts report to him. He should also be the one responsible at the combine for the Canadiens.

Scott Mellanby - Director of Player Personnel
A lot of people wonder how his job affect Timmins & Lapointe jobs...
My understanding is that he's in charge of people working around the players... that means he's in charge of Therapist, Physiotherapist, Condtionning coach, Equipment coach, etc..

Martin Lapointe - Director of player development
He will be in charge of supervising the developement of the young players. He will probably be the one in charge of the development camp & rookie camp.

So IMO, they have all different roles.
If I had to guess, just based on the job titles, here's what I'd say:

Director of Scouting (Timmins): Managing the Habs pipeline. Who we draft, who other teams draft, which prospects on other teams we should be watching, etc.

Director of Player Personnel (Mellanby): Managing the Habs active NHL roster. Making sure the active roster contains the best set of players in the system, being aware of other teams active rosters and the players on them, who we should be targeting in trades, etc.

Director of Player Development (Lapointe): Making sure the players get better.

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06-06-2012, 06:01 PM
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I guess you could find inspiration from your username...
Point well taken.... but i'm not sure absurde is strong enough

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06-06-2012, 06:07 PM
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I heard often how much the young players are not supported enough in Montreal, that's why guys like the Kostitsyns, Grabovski, Ribeiro, O'Byrne, and other didn"t grown into better players for the Habs, that might change with a bigger staff involve with the team and the players....

I don't care who exactly does it, but if in a lenght of a month if Habs players in Hamilton, Or Edmonton or Drummondville or Sarnia get's visits by Dudley, or TT or Lapointe or Mellanby, it will be hard to say they don't get the support and the Habs don't manage their Assets....

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06-06-2012, 06:10 PM
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If I had to guess, just based on the job titles, here's what I'd say:

Director of Scouting (Timmins): Managing the Habs pipeline. Who we draft, who other teams draft, which prospects on other teams we should be watching, etc.

Director of Player Personnel (Mellanby): Managing the Habs active NHL roster. Making sure the active roster contains the best set of players in the system, being aware of other teams active rosters and the players on them, who we should be targeting in trades, etc.

Director of Player Development (Lapointe): Making sure the players get better.
I disagree with Mellanby role (not saying your wrong since no one knows for sure lol). For me, what you described is GM & Assistant GMs role.

What makes me believe that Mellanby's role is more about managing the staff that take care of players, and probably Mellanby is also making sure players have all they need, is the french title of his role which is : Directeur du personnel des joueurs
Seems like he's the director of the staff that take care of the players.

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06-06-2012, 06:19 PM
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No experience, long career as a player, pro scout with Chicago.... what, we need more anglos in charge in this team, we can give a chance with a guy from here who work most of his life in the US anyway....

people here are.... i don't even know the word....
Why bring language into it? Anglos? What the hell are you talking about?

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06-06-2012, 06:22 PM
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Lapointe is Timmins' new boss..!
No, Timmins reports directly to Bergevin according to an interview done a couple of weeks ago. As head scout, I think they would work together not for each other.

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Video of Leroux saying what Timmins thinks about having his duties reduced. Around the 4 min. mark


http://www.rds.ca/zone-video/#cat=67&videoID=110664
Translation please?

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LOL... What's wrong with calling him "Marty" These guys have probably lived in the States longer than they ever did in Quebec.

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Montreal Canadiens recruiting strategy - www.Montrealjobshop.com

Maybe they can advertise for some players there too.

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Why bring language into it? Anglos? What the hell are you talking about?
by the way, it wasn't directed at you, all i mean is that Therrien, Lapointe are being put down a lot and Bergevin a little bit now, not as much Dudley and Mellanby. Call me simplist if you want but the common point is francophone vs anglophone. So i'm asking myself the question, let say that it's not Martin Lapointe but instead, i don't know a former player with no experience in management like Mike Ricci or Gary valk would get the gig, would there be that much critiscm....

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I disagree with Mellanby role (not saying your wrong since no one knows for sure lol). For me, what you described is GM & Assistant GMs role.

What makes me believe that Mellanby's role is more about managing the staff that take care of players, and probably Mellanby is also making sure players have all they need, is the french title of his role which is : Directeur du personnel des joueurs
Seems like he's the director of the staff that take care of the players.
Mellanby will be doing a lot of scouting at different levels (AHL, CHL). His job has nothing to do with overseeing the equipment guys or physical therapists as far as I know.

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Translation please?
In private Trevor has told him that he is REALLY happy with what is going on, they will work as a team, titles won't mean anything, Trevor will still be able to help out in the other areas and the other areas will help him.. it is a team and Trevor loves that. In private Trevor calls Bergevin "Mon capitaine"

He will have a much bigger team of scouts to work with.

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What is also great about Mellanby and Lapoint is that they are both locals. They can be developed to replace the existing management down the road. Habs have a language constraint, so succession planning is very important.
Whoa didn't know Mellanby was a montrealer.

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